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Male Performer Chat: Has the SPARK gone out of Flirt????
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louisphillippe
8/30/15 @ 7:00pm
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This is not new. This has been going on for years.
With 150 models online at the same time, the competition is incredible. The bottom 75 are desperate to stay online without being booted off. Hence the repeated "take me pvt" requests.
Some of the top 75 are almost TOO successful, and Louis has mentioned several times that he has not been able to go pvt with some of his favourites because so many other guys want to take them pvt at the same time.
In another topic I admitted to Louis that I may not have quite the same buzz from my latest pvt shows that I did from my first show (although I'm pleased to say my last pvt show was wonderful).
Before suggesting that the spark has gone out of Flirt4Free I think we should consider whether the spark has gone out of ronnie-uk, gofish, deafTN, louisphillippe and other long standing F4F members...
My "spark" is still intact..(or I should say OUR "spark" including gofish,ronnie-UK, deafTN other old time members and myself..) 
We only need the right "WOOD" 
to make us fire... 
We all visit our favorite models and some of the new ones I'm surebut what I feel it's gone is the finesse,tact,flirty chat and sexiness of the
site...
Everywhere is "give me, give me $$$, give me $$$$ GIVE MEEE!!$$$ ...and hurry up $$$$$$!!!...."..it is really exhausting....depressing...no wonder some members
remain quiet and never speak to the models...
My favorite 15 wonderful models still here also give me the greatest privates ever and I hope they remain here for a long time to cum.....
I would never stop visiting them...
In general, from place the was number 1,I thing we are bynow way down to number 19 or even 20..
My spark still burns bright,I only need the right kindle to make aroaring fire...
here or elsewhere... 
I only wish models would have a training manual of "Dos and don't s" ...
and a basic knowledge of the international English language...
In any case,that is just my personal view and opinions and my
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gofish
8/30/15 @ 7:48pm
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This is not new. This has been going on for years.
With 150 models online at the same time, the competition is incredible. The bottom 75 are desperate to stay online without being booted off. Hence the repeated "take me pvt" requests.
Some of the top 75 are almost TOO successful, and Louis has mentioned several times that he has not been able to go pvt with some of his favourites because so many other guys want to take them pvt at the same time.
In another topic I admitted to Louis that I may not have quite the same buzz from my latest pvt shows that I did from my first show (although I'm pleased to say my last pvt show was wonderful).
Before suggesting that the spark has gone out of Flirt4Free I think we should consider whether the spark has gone out of ronnie-uk, gofish, deafTN, louisphillippe and other long standing F4F members...
My "spark" is still intact..(or I should say OUR "spark" including gofish,ronnie-UK, deafTN other old time members and myself..) We only need the right "WOOD" to make us fire... We all visit our favorite models and some of the new ones I'm surebut what I feel it's gone is the finesse,tact,flirty chat and sexiness of the
site...
Everywhere is "give me, give me $$$, give me $$$$ GIVE MEEE!!$$$ ...and hurry up $$$$$$!!!...."..it is really exhausting....depressing...no wonder some members
remain quiet and never speak to the models...
My favorite 15 wonderful models still here also give me thegreatest privates ever and I hope they remain here for a long time to cum.....
I would never stop visiting them... In general, from place the was number 1,I thing we are bynow way down to number 19 or even 20..
My spark still burns bright,I only need the right kindle to make aroaring fire...
here or elsewhere... I only wish models would have a training manual of "Dos and don't s" ...
and a basic knowledge of the international English language...
In any case,that is just my personal view and opinions and my
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ronnie-uk
8/30/15 @ 10:21pm
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Location: London, UK
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We all visit our favorite models and some of the new ones I'm sure
but what I feel it's gone is the finesse,tact,flirty chat and sexiness of the
site...
.....
In general, from place the was number 1,I thing we are by
now way down to number 19 or even 20..
I always enjoy reading your posts, Louis
However, I am a bit confused by these 2 parts of your last post.
Are you suggesting that there are currently 19 other sites where the models show more finesse, tact, flirty chat and sexiness than they do on Flirt4Free. Or have I just misunderstood?
The other webcam sites I have seen have been a pale shadow of Flirt4Free. As KheldarXY predicted in another topic, many big-name adult sites now incorporate F4F Live Chat within their sites. I am sure that Flirt4Free remains the world market leader.
I may have lost a little of my initial "spark" but I still love Flirt4Free, and the wonderful male performers here. And also (but not often mentioned) the way this reinforces and enhances the gay experience. This must be a big encouragement in communities, religious groups and countries where male-male sexuality is being suppressed.
Jeffie hints that if we don't like Flirt4Free we can leave. We are still here ...
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but what I feel it's gone is the finesse,tact,flirty chat and sexiness of the
site...
.....
In general, from place the was number 1,I thing we are by
now way down to number 19 or even 20..
I always enjoy reading your posts, Louis
However, I am a bit confused by these 2 parts of your last post.
Are you suggesting that there are currently 19 other sites where the models show more finesse, tact, flirty chat and sexiness than they do on Flirt4Free. Or have I just misunderstood?
The other webcam sites I have seen have been a pale shadow of Flirt4Free. As KheldarXY predicted in another topic, many big-name adult sites now incorporate F4F Live Chat within their sites. I am sure that Flirt4Free remains the world market leader.
I may have lost a little of my initial "spark" but I still love Flirt4Free, and the wonderful male performers here. And also (but not often mentioned) the way this reinforces and enhances the gay experience. This must be a big encouragement in communities, religious groups and countries where male-male sexuality is being suppressed.
Jeffie hints that if we don't like Flirt4Free we can leave. We are still here ...
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I've been to most of the other sites and the grass isn't any greener than here on Flirt in my opinion. It sucks when favorites leave but we need to wish them well and searching for a new favorite can lead to a dimming spark. Usually when I least expect it I come across someone worth getting know in the same manner as the previous ones, this is when my spark gets going again. Currently my spark is dimming, any suggestions guys?
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louisphillippe
8/31/15 @ 1:44am
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I always enjoy reading your posts, Louis
However, I am a bit confused by these 2 parts of your last post.
Are you suggesting that there are currently 19 other sites where the models show more finesse, tact, flirty chat and sexiness than they do on Flirt4Free. Or have I just misunderstood?
The other webcam sites I have seen have been a pale shadow of Flirt4Free. As KheldarXY predicted in another topic, many big-name adult sites now incorporate F4F Live Chat within their sites. I am sure that Flirt4Free remains the world market leader.
I may have lost a little of my initial "spark" but I still love Flirt4Free, and the wonderful male performers here. And also (but not often mentioned) the way this reinforces and enhances the gay experience. This must be a big encouragement in communities, religious groups and countries where male-male sexuality is being suppressed.
Jeffie hints that if we don't like Flirt4Free we can leave. We are still here ...
By denying the obvious decline of this site you don't encouragemanagement to make badly needed changes my friend...
Rose colored glasses and status quo don't help management to see the reality as many others see it...the great majority
I would say.
...many still here,most gone forever modelsas well as awesome members...
Oh yeah!!...we are still here and no f****ng anyone isgoing to tell me to leave unless they pay for my membership,privates,mortgage,
insurances and daily expenses...ROFLMAO!!
...even then I'll think about it.LMAO! Don't you just love PEOPLE??? Oh well...another day another dollar gone...
Thanks for your kind post man!!...keep up the good job!!
My personal opinion and my
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have to agree with you Louis on a lot of your comments there. I think Flirt has failed to modernise, a lot of the cosmetic changes that have been made have only caused confusion. Las night I was with a model trying to find how to accept a lower than target pledge in Group,it used to be easy, but we never find out how to do it. I agree that most other sites have same problems, only one really has a different format, and that seems to work really well for some models but perhaps less for others.
We are in a different world to that of 2-3 years ago, austerity has restricted peoples spending power, and honestly at an average 6 dollar/min for privates, the costs are too high in todays climate. Add to this that many performers will try and extend a private as long as possible to get more credits - one cant blame them because the system allows them to do so.
Personally Id like to see the clock taken away, so for example cum show 400 credits and so on, then the customer at least knows what he will be paying before private start. Just my opinion, I think the spark that was there when I joined this site 5 years ago has diminished a lot. Quote
We are in a different world to that of 2-3 years ago, austerity has restricted peoples spending power, and honestly at an average 6 dollar/min for privates, the costs are too high in todays climate. Add to this that many performers will try and extend a private as long as possible to get more credits - one cant blame them because the system allows them to do so.
Personally Id like to see the clock taken away, so for example cum show 400 credits and so on, then the customer at least knows what he will be paying before private start. Just my opinion, I think the spark that was there when I joined this site 5 years ago has diminished a lot. Quote
People don't tip or private anymore simply because its all they hear when entering most rooms. Model: what's your name? Member: T Model: let's go private. I have big cum for you Member: I like to know somebody before I strip em! bye bye. Hell even at a bar you get a good 15 minutes of conversation before your dick goes into the mouth
Lol Deaf,when u ever heard this from me?)But im either dont get much privates in this time... Quote
Lol Deaf,when u ever heard this from me?)But im either dont get much privates in this time... Quote
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stinks
8/31/15 @ 11:24am
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have to agree with you Louis on a lot of your comments there. I think Flirt has failed to modernise, a lot of the cosmetic changes that have been made have only caused confusion. Las night I was with a model trying to find how to accept a lower than target pledge in Group,it used to be easy, but we never find out how to do it. I agree that most other sites have same problems, only one really has a different format, and that seems to work really well for some models but perhaps less for others.
We are in a different world to that of 2-3 years ago, austerity has restricted peoples spending power, and honestly at an average 6 dollar/min for privates, the costs are too high in todays climate. Add to this that many performers will try and extend a private as long as possible to get more credits - one cant blame them because the system allows them to do so.
Personally Id like to see the clock taken away, so for example cum show 400 credits and so on, then the customer at least knows what he will be paying before private start. Just my opinion, I think the spark that was there when I joined this site 5 years ago has diminished a lot.
I totally agree with you Chris this site is not the site you and I once knew
elmo
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We are in a different world to that of 2-3 years ago, austerity has restricted peoples spending power, and honestly at an average 6 dollar/min for privates, the costs are too high in todays climate. Add to this that many performers will try and extend a private as long as possible to get more credits - one cant blame them because the system allows them to do so.
Personally Id like to see the clock taken away, so for example cum show 400 credits and so on, then the customer at least knows what he will be paying before private start. Just my opinion, I think the spark that was there when I joined this site 5 years ago has diminished a lot.
I totally agree with you Chris this site is not the site you and I once knew
elmo
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ronnie-uk
8/31/15 @ 12:02pm
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Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,381
By denying the obvious decline of this site you don't encouragemanagement to make badly needed changes my friend...
Rose colored glasses and status quo don't helpmanagement to see the reality as many others see it...the great majority
I would say.
...many still here,most gone forever modelsas well as awesome members...
Oh yeah!!...we are still here and no f****ng anyone isgoing to tell me to leave unless they pay for my membership,privates,mortgage,
insurances and daily expenses...ROFLMAO!!
...even then I'll think about it.LMAO! Don't you just love PEOPLE??? Oh well...another day another dollar gone...
Thanks for your kind post man!!...keep up the good job!!
My personal opinion and my
Hehe, Louis. Perhaps I should swap my rose-tinted glasses for the glasses you are wearing
However, if your glasses make Flirt4Free appear at only #20 on your list of best webcam sites, then perhaps not. I think that was what you were suggesting.
I take your point about encouraging management to make changes. There are other forums here where we can tell management of our concerns directly, and ask them to make improvements and fix problems. As you can imagine, with my high post count, I have done my fair share of that over the last few years.
This forum is all about the male performers, and I always want to praise the many wonderful guys who perform here. Yes - old favourites disappear, and new favourites take their place. The longer we are members the more this happens. But I think it would be very unfair to suggest that Flirt4Free performers have lost their "spark", as implied in this topic.
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stinks
8/31/15 @ 12:26pm
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I have to say Ronnie you did hit the nail on the head. The "spark" from flirt has left me. I am rarely on anymore and when I am I tend to be rude to most models I visit(because of the constant let's go private or tips me please). a few are worth saying hi to but even now they are few and far between. Some of the older ones who have lasted for years and a couple of new ones are all I fool with now
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gofish
8/31/15 @ 3:13pm
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Have to say I did not think this topic would have got so many responses. Now with any luck let just hope that the site admin is taking note of what is said here.
I think there performers and the members who are on the site for as they say the LONG HAUL want to see improvements being made to the site.
Fingers crossed on this one
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I think there performers and the members who are on the site for as they say the LONG HAUL want to see improvements being made to the site.
Fingers crossed on this one
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I have only been a member for two months, so can't really comment. But I would make the general observation that people in all ages and all circumstances have always looked back to a lost golden age. Even Socrates did; and probably his mum and dad as well, though they are unknown to history!
Flirt4free still seems to me to be a remarkable site, although like all human endeavours it is imperfect and in need of continuing renewal. Quote
Flirt4free still seems to me to be a remarkable site, although like all human endeavours it is imperfect and in need of continuing renewal. Quote
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gofish
8/31/15 @ 7:17pm
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I have only been a member for two months, so can't really comment. But I would make the general observation that people in all ages and all circumstances have always looked back to a lost golden age. Even Socrates did; and probably his mum and dad as well, though they are unknown to history!
Flirt4free still seems to me to be a remarkable site, although like all human endeavours it is imperfect and in need of continuing renewal.
AliusUK overall Flirt4Free is a pretty good site and you can find a wide range of performers for sure. I am glad that you are enjoying the site and it was great that you take the time to check out the forum postings.
I think if you had been a member on the site for the last several years you might get what the topic is really about. I think most members merely like the site to revisit those day but with an updated version if you will.
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Flirt4free still seems to me to be a remarkable site, although like all human endeavours it is imperfect and in need of continuing renewal.
AliusUK overall Flirt4Free is a pretty good site and you can find a wide range of performers for sure. I am glad that you are enjoying the site and it was great that you take the time to check out the forum postings.
I think if you had been a member on the site for the last several years you might get what the topic is really about. I think most members merely like the site to revisit those day but with an updated version if you will.
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louisphillippe
8/31/15 @ 11:42pm
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Hehe, Louis. Perhaps I should swap my rose-tinted glasses for the glasses you are wearing
However, if your glasses make Flirt4Free appear at only #20 on your list of best webcam sites, then perhaps not. I think that was what you were suggesting.
I take your point about encouraging management to make changes. There are other forums here where we can tell management of our concerns directly, and ask them to make improvements and fix problems. As you can imagine, with my high post count, I have done my fair share of that over the last few years.
This forum is all about the male performers, and I always want to praise the many wonderful guys who perform here. Yes - old favourites disappear, and new favourites take their place. The longer we are members the more this happens. But I think it would be very unfair to suggest that Flirt4Free performers have lost their "spark", as implied in this topic.
You are right!!!...and many of us are WRONG!!!
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chrisdk
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I have only been a member for two months, so can't really comment. But I would make the general observation that people in all ages and all circumstances have always looked back to a lost golden age. Even Socrates did; and probably his mum and dad as well, though they are unknown to history!
Flirt4free still seems to me to be a remarkable site, although like all human endeavours it is imperfect and in need of continuing renewal.
So deeply philosophical!
It's been two months for me, too, and I am starting to loose a bit on the initial euphoria. You can meet some great, fun, interesting people here and that's been driving me to come back regularly, chat up the new guys and have fun with the few a know a bit better.
However, it also makes me more aware of constant lamenting of models about their situation and reduced tips and privates they receive.
I can't believe people simply loose interest in visiting the site and its awesome performers. Quote
Flirt4free still seems to me to be a remarkable site, although like all human endeavours it is imperfect and in need of continuing renewal.
So deeply philosophical!
It's been two months for me, too, and I am starting to loose a bit on the initial euphoria. You can meet some great, fun, interesting people here and that's been driving me to come back regularly, chat up the new guys and have fun with the few a know a bit better.
However, it also makes me more aware of constant lamenting of models about their situation and reduced tips and privates they receive.
I can't believe people simply loose interest in visiting the site and its awesome performers. Quote
So deeply philosophical!
It's been two months for me, too, and I am starting to loose a bit on the initial euphoria. You can meet some great, fun, interesting people here and that's been driving me to come back regularly, chat up the new guys and have fun with the few a know a bit better.
However, it also makes me more aware of constant lamenting of models about their situation and reduced tips and privates they receive.
I can't believe people simply loose interest in visiting the site and its awesome performers.
Please pardon my cynicism, but the reason so many people lose interest is probably because they are here for only one thing, and when that's satisfied, they feel no inclination to stick around and get to know the models. Unlike members who become acquainted and friendly with their favorites, taking their "relationship" beyond just the "tip and show" level (like ronnie-uk, louisphillippe, et al.), these members become bored easily and after a couple of visits, they move on to another model. Or these members care only about free shows and do nothing but make sit silently in rooms or make requests off of other members' tips or expecting others to tip when they make a request they think will meet general approval.
Small wonder the models become despondent themselves.
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gofish
9/1/15 @ 4:52am
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So deeply philosophical!
It's been two months for me, too, and I am starting to loose a bit on the initial euphoria. You can meet some great, fun, interesting people here and that's been driving me to come back regularly, chat up the new guys and have fun with the few a know a bit better.
However, it also makes me more aware of constant lamenting of models about their situation and reduced tips and privates they receive.
I can't believe people simply loose interest in visiting the site and its awesome performers.
Chris I don't think it is a case of members losing interest in visiting the site, but rather that many newer performers just don't know how to connect with their viewers other than just requesting tips & privates.
There are a lot of performers on the site who one really enjoys hanging out with (I think you know some of whom I talk about).
It is merely a case of the fear of saying HI to a new performer and either getting no response or a request to go private.
By the way thanks for your response on this posting which seems to have taken on a life of it's own.
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louisphillippe
9/1/15 @ 12:52pm
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Chris I don't think it is a case of members losing interest in visiting the site, but rather that many newer performers just don't know how to connect with their viewers other than just requesting tips & privates.
There are a lot of performers on the site who one really enjoys hanging out with (I think you know some of whom I talk about).
It is merely a case of the fear of saying HI to a new performer and either getting no response or a request to go private.
By the way thanks for your response on this posting which seems to have taken on a life of it's own.
Well said...
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