Totally agree, however in the volatile climate we now live, our response and criticism needs to be measured. The extremists are looking for ways to drive a wedge into the gaps between all our cultures, if they succeed the repercussions will be beyond anyones comprehension. This is where diplomacy and vision need to be the basis for our leaders, its no use being wealthy and having to live in a world of fear and division, or even worse not having a world to live in.

....

All values are not equal, and unfortunately probably will never be as by nature our definitions of 'good' are subjective. The best we can strive for is that the fundamental rights and dignity of all people are acknowledged and protected.

Totally agree, however in the volatile climate we now live, our response and criticism needs to be measured. The extremists are looking for ways to drive a wedge into the gaps between all our cultures, if they succeed the repercussions will be beyond anyones comprehension. This is where diplomacy and vision need to be the basis for our leaders, its no use being wealthy and having to live in a world of fear and division, or even worse not having a world to live in.

Trump has none of these qualities, his goal of 'Make America Great Again' is totally born out of a financial ideology, which if were balanced with a real concern and understanding of deeper issues might be tempered with patience. But this man cannot stop himself for a moment to consider the consequences of his rush to scribble on paper ... he is driven by ego, which is fed by his one eyed devotees, the ones who would "do nothing if he shot a person in cold bl00d", and their willingness to forgive and ignore any and all hasty ill conceived plans.

All values are not equal, and unfortunately probably will never be as by nature our definitions of 'good' are subjective. The best we can strive for is that the fundamental rights and dignity of all people are acknowledged and protected.


Sure. Skill at diplomacy is not a common trait, in fact it is a learned art. It has to be valued before acquired. These subjects surely are minefields and perhaps we will look back with longing to the period we have recently left where we all agreed to not discuss differences and live and let live in the West. It was quite an accomplishment when we got over the idea that the particular sect we followed needed to be the winner or our heavenly King would surely tickle our toes for eternity.

But we have left that period. A cultural war was declared in the US by the right wing. Violent extremism came to a head in the Middle East. It is important that we demonstrate constantly our genuine respect for each other and continue to value human life over all. But a war of ideas is upon us whether we want it or not. With some luck the heavy causalities will be only a truckload of really outdated, really really bad ideas.

Seems it's an art Thump hasn't mastered judging by the way he treated Australia, slippery slope on the allies front! STUPID BUGGA!!!

I noticed you (and no one else either) didn't deny the fact that the Koran says what I quoted. You didn't refute it because you know the Koran actually does say those things. It is the people who do believe in those verses we are trying to keep out of our country. Your only reply is to waste your time typing your twisted, moronic misinterpretations of every story in the Old Testament. Those plagues happened in Egypt because the Pharaoh refused to listen after being warned time after time after time after time. The fact of the matter is, Abraham did NOT k1lll his own son in the end, so I don't see your problem with that story. You really have a problem with the Jew's tales and stories, because you have a problem with the Jewish people and their beliefs. Which shows an interesting bias on your part. The fact of the matter is, the entire world WAS covered in water at one time. Only one family could be saved from the judgment because the thoughts and deeds of everyone else was only corruption and evil continually. Think of it as a sort of death penalty at the time. It was after the flood that the rule was established, Those who shed the bl00d of man, by man shall HIS bl00d be shed (capital punishment). Later on, even the Roman Empire followed that rule through crucifying their criminals. And they even went further by crucifying thieves as well.
So pluck the log from your eye, you antisemitic moron.
You know how one can know that Obama is a MUSLIM? Because he says he is NOT ONE. He is a pathological liar (no surprise there, as he is a career politician). When a liar says something, you know the opposite is true. You know, if you want your doctor, you can keep him. If you want your current health care plan, you can keep it. BOTH one hundred percent lies. Which is why the current Congress will change the law to something much better.
When I say he violated the Constitution, it had NOTHING to do with his race. It had everything to do with his actions, what he did when he was in office, and the fact that he always operated in the role of a dictator, NOT a president. That's the exact opposite of what the Founders wanted.
Trump had every right to fire that individual because......he IS THE PRESIDENT. She was going against Trump's policy, so it kind of makes sense to let her go. Now Trump has his OWN people in charge there who will not defy him.
It is good to know that we are now doing what we need to do in the War on Terror. The SEALS went on a special mission just recently where they k1lled the bad guys and collected info that will help us tremendously. Obama was not doing that when he was in office. And the idiotic ROE (Rules Of Engagement) is now reversed also, so that our military can actually do its JOB and WIN in the war.

I noticed you (and no one else either) didn't deny the fact that the Koran says what I quoted. You didn't refute it because you know the Koran actually does say those things. It is the people who do believe in those verses we are trying to keep out of our country. Your only reply is to waste your time typing your twisted, moronic misinterpretations of every story in the Old Testament. Those plagues happened in Egypt because the Pharaoh refused to listen after being warned time after time after time after time. The fact of the matter is, Abraham did NOT k1lll his own son in the end, so I don't see your problem with that story. You really have a problem with the Jew's tales and stories, because you have a problem with the Jewish people and their beliefs. Which shows an interesting bias on your part. The fact of the matter is, the entire world WAS covered in water at one time. Only one family could be saved from the judgment because the thoughts and deeds of everyone else was only corruption and evil continually. Think of it as a sort of death penalty at the time. It was after the flood that the rule was established, Those who shed the bl00d of man, by man shall HIS bl00d be shed (capital punishment). Later on, even the Roman Empire followed that rule through crucifying their criminals. And they even went further by crucifying thieves as well.
So pluck the log from your eye, you antisemitic moron.
You know how one can know that Obama is a MUSLIM? Because he says he is NOT ONE. He is a pathological liar (no surprise there, as he is a career politician). When a liar says something, you know the opposite is true. You know, if you want your doctor, you can keep him. If you want your current health care plan, you can keep it. BOTH one hundred percent lies. Which is why the current Congress will change the law to something much better.
When I say he violated the Constitution, it had NOTHING to do with his race. It had everything to do with his actions, what he did when he was in office, and the fact that he always operated in the role of a dictator, NOT a president. That's the exact opposite of what the Founders wanted.
Trump had every right to fire that individual because......he IS THE PRESIDENT. She was going against Trump's policy, so it kind of makes sense to let her go. Now Trump has his OWN people in charge there who will not defy him.
It is good to know that we are now doing what we need to do in the War on Terror. The SEALS went on a special mission just recently where they k1lled the bad guys and collected info that will help us tremendously. Obama was not doing that when he was in office. And the idiotic ROE (Rules Of Engagement) is now reversed also, so that our military can actually do its JOB and WIN in the war.



ur a delusional ignorant twit, do you know what the word context means? Do you think I'd waste my time typing up quotations from the bible to make a point with you, not likely, simply a copy and paste from a page. Enough to prove the point that most religious documents are full of violence and do not apply to the way we live today. You in your twisted way would like to believe that it is.

Seriously good guys ... bad guys? what game do you think you are playing? It sums up your whole juvenile outlook on serious matters. Don't know if you know but dictators are people who do not allow anyone to defy them, ever notice how Trumps facial contortions are a mirror of Mussolinis?



You mighty notice the jerks clapping him on as they followed him over the cliff ... look carefully you are probably there!

Oh yeah btw I have Jewish Ancestry, so suck on that one. I have no problem with any PEOPLE, I have a problem with INDIVIDUALS like you who promote fear, division, sexism and racism.

I noticed you (and no one else either) didn't deny the fact that the Koran says what I quoted. You didn't refute it because you know the Koran actually does say those things. It is the people who do believe in those verses we are trying to keep out of our country. Your only reply is to waste your time typing your twisted, moronic misinterpretations of every story in the Old Testament. Those plagues happened in Egypt because the Pharaoh refused to listen after being warned time after time after time after time. The fact of the matter is, Abraham did NOT k1lll his own son in the end, so I don't see your problem with that story. You really have a problem with the Jew's tales and stories, because you have a problem with the Jewish people and their beliefs. Which shows an interesting bias on your part. The fact of the matter is, the entire world WAS covered in water at one time. Only one family could be saved from the judgment because the thoughts and deeds of everyone else was only corruption and evil continually. Think of it as a sort of death penalty at the time. It was after the flood that the rule was established, Those who shed the bl00d of man, by man shall HIS bl00d be shed (capital punishment). Later on, even the Roman Empire followed that rule through crucifying their criminals. And they even went further by crucifying thieves as well.
So pluck the log from your eye, you antisemitic moron.
You know how one can know that Obama is a MUSLIM? Because he says he is NOT ONE. He is a pathological liar (no surprise there, as he is a career politician). When a liar says something, you know the opposite is true. You know, if you want your doctor, you can keep him. If you want your current health care plan, you can keep it. BOTH one hundred percent lies. Which is why the current Congress will change the law to something much better.
When I say he violated the Constitution, it had NOTHING to do with his race. It had everything to do with his actions, what he did when he was in office, and the fact that he always operated in the role of a dictator, NOT a president. That's the exact opposite of what the Founders wanted.
Trump had every right to fire that individual because......he IS THE PRESIDENT. She was going against Trump's policy, so it kind of makes sense to let her go. Now Trump has his OWN people in charge there who will not defy him.
It is good to know that we are now doing what we need to do in the War on Terror. The SEALS went on a special mission just recently where they k1lled the bad guys and collected info that will help us tremendously. Obama was not doing that when he was in office. And the idiotic ROE (Rules Of Engagement) is now reversed also, so that our military can actually do its JOB and WIN in the war.



Whooooaaaa you left the realm of politics and philosophy and went to physical reality for a bit. You really believe those old stories? An ark and a flood? Seriously? Literally? Even using as some kind of legal precedent?

No. No way. No how. Follow that thread and you will find one problem with your belief system. You can't cram all of the earth's species onto a wood boat. The earth was never completely covered with water.

The other is the moral question. You've got no problem with God slaying all the earth except one family? Seems to me you have never asked the question of whether this God described there is just. Step outta the framework of the Bible and just ask, how would you judge God based upon these actions.

Your whole view of reality is built upon sand as the proverb goes. I'd examine it before you start making the world conform to your views.

I think this is the first time in Australia's history that the average Aussie would seriously question the integrity of the US alliance, all because of the flippant and undiplomatic way in which Trump handled a telephone conversation. He used it to amplify his own importance an belittle our Prime Minister. Of course in his own blundering way Thump tries to smooth the waters with his bullshit post abuse compliments ... "I love Australia ... blah blah blah ..." too much, too late, he shows his careless, reckless and aggressive attitude way too fast.

We have seen and enjoyed many American Presidents, not always agreed with them, but certainly respected them as unwavering allies that you knew would always have your back, an in turn us theirs. It's all too obvious that Thump is a fair weather ally, he'd cut and run as soon as the scenario did not fit his agenda. He is a man with very small cold hands. Hang in there America we are in for a turbulent ride.

Whooooaaaa you left the realm of politics and philosophy and went to physical reality for a bit. You really believe those old stories? An ark and a flood? Seriously? Literally? Even using as some kind of legal precedent?

No. No way. No how. Follow that thread and you will find one problem with your belief system. You can't cram all of the earth's species onto a wood boat. The earth was never completely covered with water.

The other is the moral question. You've got no problem with God slaying all the earth except one family? Seems to me you have never asked the question of whether this God described there is just. Step outta the framework of the Bible and just ask, how would you judge God based upon these actions.

Your whole view of reality is built upon sand as the proverb goes. I'd examine it before you start making the world conform to your views.




Not fully covered by water!! Wasn't it once flat, u know before the Dino sores? U know when the pirates sailed off the edge into space? Dudley??
Always wondered what No Ha did with all the animal shit? He and his wife must have had a full time gig shovelling shit!!

I noticed you (and no one else either) didn't deny the fact that the Koran says what I quoted. You didn't refute it because you know the Koran actually does say those things. It is the people who do believe in those verses we are trying to keep out of our country. Your only reply is to waste your time typing your twisted, moronic misinterpretations of every story in the Old Testament. Those plagues happened in Egypt because the Pharaoh refused to listen after being warned time after time after time after time. The fact of the matter is, Abraham did NOT k1lll his own son in the end, so I don't see your problem with that story. You really have a problem with the Jew's tales and stories, because you have a problem with the Jewish people and their beliefs. Which shows an interesting bias on your part. The fact of the matter is, the entire world WAS covered in water at one time. Only one family could be saved from the judgment because the thoughts and deeds of everyone else was only corruption and evil continually. Think of it as a sort of death penalty at the time. It was after the flood that the rule was established, Those who shed the bl00d of man, by man shall HIS bl00d be shed (capital punishment). Later on, even the Roman Empire followed that rule through crucifying their criminals. And they even went further by crucifying thieves as well.
So pluck the log from your eye, you antisemitic moron.
You know how one can know that Obama is a MUSLIM? Because he says he is NOT ONE. He is a pathological liar (no surprise there, as he is a career politician). When a liar says something, you know the opposite is true. You know, if you want your doctor, you can keep him. If you want your current health care plan, you can keep it. BOTH one hundred percent lies. Which is why the current Congress will change the law to something much better.
When I say he violated the Constitution, it had NOTHING to do with his race. It had everything to do with his actions, what he did when he was in office, and the fact that he always operated in the role of a dictator, NOT a president. That's the exact opposite of what the Founders wanted.
Trump had every right to fire that individual because......he IS THE PRESIDENT. She was going against Trump's policy, so it kind of makes sense to let her go. Now Trump has his OWN people in charge there who will not defy him.
It is good to know that we are now doing what we need to do in the War on Terror. The SEALS went on a special mission just recently where they k1lled the bad guys and collected info that will help us tremendously. Obama was not doing that when he was in office. And the idiotic ROE (Rules Of Engagement) is now reversed also, so that our military can actually do its JOB and WIN in the war.



Bla bla bla again - nothing but bla bla bla.
Still no proof and just ridiculous lines as he is liar and as he said HE IS NOT he would be.
You lil cloWN made me laugh hard.
I still miss a single proof where he violated constitution.
And I have no idea why Trump should have a right you won't grant democrats.
Trumps executive orders are democracy ?

at the risk of sounding really stupid, can anyone tell me whats the plan after the 90 day travel ban? now that the extremists have been told where not to travel from?

Not fully covered by water!! Wasn't it once flat, u know before the Dino sores? U know when the pirates sailed off the edge into space? Dudley??
Always wondered what No Ha did with all the animal shit? He and his wife must have had a full time gig shovelling shit!!


lol that's right. It goes on and on. Why the fuck did they bring the leeches, fire ants (a worker and a queen?), parasites. What a pain in the butt to have to get a pair of koalas, some lemurs, and damned rain forest sloth in the same boat. Had to be just one arc. Then they had to go ferry the marsupials to Australia. Had to make sure those finches, iguanas and turtles disembarked in the Galapagos. Frickin' tigers kept bitching about the cold and the penguins lost 20 pounds from sweating. The acquariums below deck for the species that were fussy about salinity were a royal bitch to keep pumped. Whole current system got royally screwed up by all that water. Then there were the plants right? I mean you can't cover the globe without k1lling all the fungii, trees, crops, grasses, creepers and the many species of cactii. If it weren't the wet cat hair it'd be the hayfever that would get you.

I think this is the first time in Australia's history that the average Aussie would seriously question the integrity of the US alliance, all because of the flippant and undiplomatic way in which Trump handled a telephone conversation. He used it to amplify his own importance an belittle our Prime Minister. Of course in his own blundering way Thump tries to smooth the waters with his bullshit post abuse compliments ... "I love Australia ... blah blah blah ..." too much, too late, he shows his careless, reckless and aggressive attitude way too fast.

We have seen and enjoyed many American Presidents, not always agreed with them, but certainly respected them as unwavering allies that you knew would always have your back, an in turn us theirs. It's all too obvious that Thump is a fair weather ally, he'd cut and run as soon as the scenario did not fit his agenda. He is a man with very small cold hands. Hang in there America we are in for a turbulent ride.


What can a guy say? It's not like having that flake roommate that you can compensate for. Trump is the only one that's allowed to pick up the phone. It's kind of like going to the bars and finding out that one of your friends is a mean drunk. You gotta deal with him until the next morning when you can talk to him sober.

What can a guy say? It's not like having that flake roommate that you can compensate for. Trump is the only one that's allowed to pick up the phone. It's kind of like going to the bars and finding out that one of your friends is a mean drunk. You gotta deal with him until the next morning when you can talk to him sober.





lol too true, lets hope this mean drunk is sobered up pronto!

at the risk of sounding really stupid, can anyone tell me whats the plan after the 90 day travel ban? now that the extremists have been told where not to travel from?


Spurt will do - he is clever, he has IQ , he is a genius.
And he CAN swim

Spurt will do - he is clever, he has IQ , he is a genius.
And he CAN swim


Spurt?

Spurt?



You doubt in his swimming skills ?

You doubt in his swimming skills ?



nope, never the man is an athlete of the highest calibre! he has swum the channel of challenge and abuse and returned unscathed, good for him!

I think it is a normal thing for a member of the human species to temporarily think he's got it all figured out. That now finally he can kick back and come what may at least he understands reality. He's no fool. He's no longer wallowing in ignorance.

But it is also a normal experience for us to get blind-sided by Truth. At the most inconvenient time. While we are in mid-sentence expressing our mastery. After we have just praised someone who has exploited us.

This is another reason why the ridiculous belief of another person should be challenged. You won't get the good feeling of seeing an immediate change. You probably won't know the outcome. But that little seed of dissonance, that sense that there is a ripple in the pond that needs to be smoothed, will remain. It may take years. But as the thread is pulled, gradually the whole thing unwinds. The vertigo that this produces is something felt by us all if we are honest thinkers. We realize that we are still mere ch1ldren. That we have miles to go. That reality is an elusive thing.

We become humble. We become respectful.

Yes, I am an excellent swimmer, and yes, i DO have genius IQ. If you're still referring to Gump, in many ways your comparison of him to me I should probably take as a compliment. I am like a Gump in all the ways he was portrayed except for this IQ. I am a Gump with very HIGH IQ. He was portrayed as a very likable guy, and he did some amazing, incredible things. He was great at sports, he met with very important individuals like Elvis, and he was even a war hero. He was successful in everything he did. So in those ways, I take that as a compliment.
Yes Obama violated the Constitution every day. His action and conduct proved it. In normal circumstances, Trump would not have to sign so many executive orders. The ONLY reason he is doing that is because that is the ONLY way to cancel out every single executive order that Obama issued. Once every last Obama executive order is countered, Trump will stop doing HIS executive orders. Remember, after a trip to China, Obama was lamenting the fact that this country's government could not be like China's government. China's president can issue decrees and laws that are automatic and that can't be undone. If you don't like them, TOO BAD. You HAVE to live with them (remember it IS a repressive Communist nation). Obama was lamenting the fact that he couldn't do what China's leader could do. So YES, he was a dictator.
All Trump was saying in his call was that the US is NOT going to accept ANY refugees from anywhere, and the travel ban will remain in place. I'm sure he likes Australia's leader and he was not threatening the leader in any way.
I have already described to you the reasons why there was a flood judgment. And remember the rainbow, which was given as a promise that there would never be that kind of judgment ever again, as the story goes. In cultures that go far, far back, there are stories passed down from generation to generation that are very similar to the flood story. There is evidence that may have happened, fossils have been found in Australia and other remote places that could only have been caused by heavy rain and a major flood. There are different versions of the story, but whichever story you find more believable, there is evidence that a flood did occur. Anyway, if you want to compare the Koran to the bible, they are very different in many ways. The Ten Commandments, just to give one example, is the very opposite of the passages in the Koran, and the Ten Commandments don't order everyone to go out and k1ll their enemies. The Koran does.
To say that Trump is just like Mussolini is just unbelievably laughable. I could say that Obama was like Hitler, and in many cases I would be correct. Only instead of a fascist, he was closer to a socialist. But it's all totalitarianism whatever you call it.
"we become respectful...." Yes, Dudley, let's become respectful instead of saying things that never were true of me....sexist, racist, bigot, fearmonger, etc. Especially when there's no proof of that.

"we become respectful...." Yes, Dudley, let's become respectful instead of saying things that never were true of me....sexist, racist, bigot, fearmonger, etc. Especially when there's no proof of that.


I probably shouldn't have directly accused anyone of racism. Scapegoating is a valid accusation given the campaign we went through. Supporting voter suppression via support of Sessions is valid. Propagating silly conspiracy theories about massive liberal voter fraud valid. Irrational hatred of dubious origin regarding Obama, going way beyond taking exception to policy decisions, again valid.

Regarding totalitarianism, I can't help but point out, given discussion of the Great Flood, that the Ultimate Dictator is the Almighty. The ten commandments got immediately to the point, blind obedience, and ultimate authority before finally getting to some rather banal moral precepts that the people had to have been in basic agreement with to have even made it to the foot of Mount Sinai. He demands total slavish obedience. Condemns to everlasting torture disobedience. His chosen people were compelled to destroy the other peoples in the region. They couldn't just get along. Yes he cleansed the earth, according to the Bible, of everyone but one family for reasons that pleased him. He despised the homosexuals. Encouraged stoning as a method of justice. Told no one of germs, or of other lands to be discovered, shared no knowledge other than his laws for obedience.

Far from challenging this morality you support it. Even look to it to bolster your current world view. This by the way is a big reason you are part of the Trump movement. He understands how to appeal to this mind set. It is no accident that he has the support of the "moral majority".