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Created by: derek99

11/3/16 @ 10:54am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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I saw some of the debate talk between the both of them, and during it, I can't believe what some of the types of things were said. I haven't ever liked anything related to politics. Politicians are full of empty promises, and liars. There is no use complaining how they are though because can't do anything about them.

Created by: alberich

11/3/16 @ 11:57am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Yeah ain't it something? The crystal ball grows dim and then glimmers with images of: trade wars, stock market crashes, cowboys riding dinosaurs, city skylines falling and being replaced with steeples and casino towers, NATO being scrapped so a new alliance can be formed with the tremendous countries with the strong leaders, revolving cabinets, online universities replacing expensive loser ivory towers, and the green chubby lady liberty replaced with an orange balding bulbous leering middle aged all father with finger pointing the way back out to sea for those unproductive conspiring huddling masses.

Mad Max is coming .. they had great cars (I love that Falcon Coupe - but thats pretty the only Ford I like). Let the world rule the way it was in medieval times. The one who claims himself the leader of the world (wasn't that an old american speciality which became totally lost in last 8 years ?) dictates all other nations the way to go.
Those who are unwanted - they get moved to a lock out place (hello my australian fellows .. you know that feeling .. don't ya ?)
one of the abilities you need to have as leading politician is flexibility - and most flexibility they have when they are spineless. You can bend everything the way you want it.
You can modify data the way you need them - you can form your own world.
I don't envy you americans for the choice you have - but I hope for a better future of America - and that America will remember again that they are most successful as team player - times of Rambo are long time gone

Created by: kertzum

11/3/16 @ 4:36pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Well, my Australian buddy, it's not racist to say we need to secure our borders and close the gates. We need our sovereignty and we are supposed to be a sovereign nation, which is something that Obama apparently isn't smart enough to understand. This administration is letting everyone and ANYONE---including criminals and terrorists---through our southern border and they don't care. Hillary would be four more years of this BS and no one wants that. As far as the wall goes, it is very possible that Trump privately told the New York Times that everything he's been saying about building a wall and massive deportations is just a lie, he didn't mean any of it. And if that's true, it makes me hope that VP Pence will change his mind on that and convince him that we actually DO need secure borders after all.
Personally I'd much rather have a businessman who actually knows how to run a business successfully running things in the White House than a criminal and liar like Hillary. She would destroy the economy even more than Obama already has (95 million are now unemployed, and those Americans actually did have employment when we had President Bush). This is called a Depression. I can go on and on about Hillary's negatives, the smug arrogance she displayed in the debates, etc. But suffice it to say I know a few models on this site who completely agree with me on this issue. They hate Hillary and will be voting Trump/Pence just like I did.

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Mad Max is coming .. they had great cars (I love that Falcon Coupe - but thats pretty the only Ford I like). Let the world rule the way it was in medieval times. The one who claims himself the leader of the world (wasn't that an old american speciality which became totally lost in last 8 years ?) dictates all other nations the way to go.
Those who are unwanted - they get moved to a lock out place (hello my australian fellows .. you know that feeling .. don't ya ?)
one of the abilities you need to have as leading politician is flexibility - and most flexibility they have when they are spineless. You can bend everything the way you want it.
You can modify data the way you need them - you can form your own world.
I don't envy you americans for the choice you have - but I hope for a better future of America - and that America will remember again that they are most successful as team player - times of Rambo are long time gone

oh God help us ! should your man get in, then lets talk again in 12 months and we will see how much better off you are. My guess is your taxes will b sky high paying for stupid wall and a bunch of wars we never saw coming (if we are not all obliterated before then)... the strange thing is how a man can clearly make statements on video then refute that he ever made them ... and the Coolaid drinkers simply choose to ignore the facts. Rambo, haha I don't think Rambo could even come close to what the Trumpernaitor is about to unleash.
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Created by: dudley_do_ride

11/3/16 @ 11:53pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Mad Max is coming .. they had great cars
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I don't envy you americans for the choice you have - but I hope for a better future of America - and that America will remember again that they are most successful as team player - times of Rambo are long time gone

lol I won't fit in. My cars have all been humble little efficiandos from Asia.

But it ain't just America. A number of nations have recently had interesting elections. There is something in the air.

Despite appearances I think more of us are looking abroad for insight, examples and alliances than ever before. Part of the pain is that we are far more able to see the politicians for what they are now. We can easily find them making that one revealing speech. Or we can find that time they were silly enough to get themselves into a debate will a really skilled opponent. So having 8th rate gaffers who require only a check of a week back really grates on us. We want a challenge.

Created by: sex_spert

11/3/16 @ 11:57pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Sorry, dude, but the world isn't going to come to an end just because Trump is elected. We have a moron in the White House now that violates the Constitution every single day. What the media doesn't tell you (because they support Hillary) is that ten years ago, Trump sat down with his wife and had a very serious talk about his comments toward and about women. She was NOT going to put up with his womanizing ways and she let him know that. He admitted she was right about the matter and he cleaned up his act and changed his ways. That video tape was a video from eleven years ago, BEFORE he changed his ways. It's not like it was yesterday.
Also, Trump is not a warmonger. If you were paying any attention to what he was saying in this campaign, he actually sounds a lot more like a dove and not a hawk at all. He wants other nations to start getting involved militarily and start picking up a good part of the tab. We can do some things for other nations militarily, but we should not be expected to do everything. He's a lot more dovish than other leaders we have had. If there's anyone who would be more likely to start wars and conflicts everywhere, it is HILLARY CLINTON. Read the book by Dick Morris and you will see how dangerous and evil this woman really is.

Created by: alberich

11/4/16 @ 1:14am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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But it ain't just America. A number of nations have recently had interesting elections. There is something in the air.

Ohh yes - politics of spreading hate and fear against other ethnic groups works lately . Great Britain got it's brexit that way. But surprisingly most of the things they said before the vote they meant different after vote.
Germany spread fear versus terrorist actions - and got their attacks they didn't had as long as they were an open volks - there too spreading fear started before.
I would love to look forward to a world of team players - to a world of friends - of reasonability. But it seems to be further away than ever before

Created by: Addison Johns

11/4/16 @ 5:59pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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Created by: kertzum

11/4/16 @ 6:44pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Created by: sex_spert

11/4/16 @ 8:11pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Yes, really. Everything I said is true. Excuse me, I am an expert on both sex and politics, thank you. Dick Morris knows what he's talking about because he knows both Bill and Hillary very well and worked with them for many, many years. He's not just writing a bunch of lies, he is writing from experience. He knows how corrupt Hillary really is. And as far as Seth goes, I wouldn't listen to that moron if you paid me to. He's a political hack for the Democrat Party, that's all. He turns a blind eye to every crime that the Clintons have committed. He's upset because he knows the Trump ticket is going to win. There is a group that analyzes politics and trends that has been correct in their predictions in every election since 1984. They are predicting a Trump win. They have listed 13 factors and if the answers are NO or negative for six of those 13, the party in the White House LOSES. Of those factors, ELEVEN are negative. The Democrats are going to be buried in a landslide. So don't worry, Trump/Pence is going to win. That's just the way it is.

Created by: Addison Johns

11/4/16 @ 8:51pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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Created by: Addison Johns

11/4/16 @ 9:28pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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There is a group that analyzes politics and trends that has been correct in their predictions in every election since 1984. They are predicting a Trump win. They have listed 13 factors and if the answers are NO or negative for six of those 13, the party in the White House LOSES. Of those factors, ELEVEN are negative.

I have to confess this fragment of your persuasive speech got my attention in particular. What is this group using when predicting, `cause it smells from here! Must be a bunch of witches boiling rats `tails, bat ears and crocodile eyes upon a secret formula meant to bewilder some brainwashed creatures!

Created by: alberich

11/5/16 @ 4:42am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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That's just the way it is.

I worry the way it is - manipulating facts and trying to spread fear and envy is actually a way to increase racism - and for polls based on racism: in history we saw the result. It never ended great.

To your Dick:
How sould omeone who is still on his vendetta against the Clintons as he got fired as their campaign director (no didn't leave on own will) bring objective facts ?
Thats almost as ridiculous as namining Hillary or that Trump a Saint.

Using words like moron for other political idea shows the bigger moron and uneducated being in that one.

To your 95 million of unemployed americans:
I don't want to judge Obama politics as it had some heights and some deeps as everything else. But highest point of unemployment was at the beginning of his period of governance with approx 10%. This was definately a result of the financial crises 2007/2008 (I know that was also caused by Hillary as that Dick wrote it - but as all from Dicks - I ignore that). Starting 210 the rate slowly went down to an actual percentage of 5% (if you have 95 Million of new unemployed people - and you have an lower unemployment rate as in times of bush you must have passed China in population without world seeing that - but that can't be immigrants only).
Before you blame me having taken that data from Hillaries book: no it is official Government data .. and Wikipedia is listing same numbers.

Created by: sex_spert

11/5/16 @ 6:16am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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These statistics are facts that the media never reports. Why? Because they want the Democrats to win. It is a FACT that 95 million are unemployed, and that same number DID have jobs when we had President Bush. Unemployment is not five percent. It is MUCH higher than that. If a Republican were in the White House, the media would be reporting about how bad the economy actually is EVERY SINGLE DAY. Because Obama's in there, they don't say a word about it. There is no pretense with the media anymore. It isn't journalism. It is the media trying to shape public opinion the way they want to shape it. And really?? You're going to rely on WICKEDpedia? Students in schools can't use that site because it is misleading and they publish lies. Also if Dick Morris was fired, that shows you what kind of people Bill and Hillary are. They are mean, nasty and corrupt. Dick is a good guy. Probably the only thing he did wrong is deciding to work for a corrupt couple like the Clintons in the first place. Dick is blowing the whistle on them and they don't like it. Government data? PPFFFFFF. Of course Obama's going to lie about the economy and call it a recovery. He lies every day, it is what liars do. If this is a recovery, I'd hate to see a depression. As to the name of the group, I can't remember off the top of my head. I'd have to look it up in my internet files. But trust me, these people have been right since the 1980s, and they are right about this one too. Trump will probably receive anywhere from 311 to 320 electoral votes. Watch for that.
I will repeat, again, that I did not originally support Trump. I did not want him as the nominee. I only started supporting him because he chose Pence. Pence will really be the one in charge, not Trump.

Created by: Addison Johns

11/5/16 @ 6:49am (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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. It is a FACT that 95 million are unemployed, and that I will repeat, again, that I did not originally support Trump. I did not want him as the nominee. I only started supporting him because he chose Pence. Pence will really be the one in charge, not Trump.

* originally or initially?!
Second, to prove your `arguments` build a syllogism, would you sit at the table with a shark just because you like fish too ? look up in that `Wicked`pedia, just in case ...

Created by: alberich

11/5/16 @ 7:37am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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These statistics are facts that the media never reports. Why? ...

USA has around 320 million habitants - if you substract now around 50 to 60 % for under*ged or retired people you have approx 150 to 160K people in a working age.
Newborn people don't have to work - even in the USA.
That you trust in those populism faked figurs of 95 million unemployed people (who even had work before when bush was president) it shows me that you finished school before you had math. Those are the people who are easy to manipulate. They believe everything without starting to switch on their brain at least a lil bit.

Are you that great in math that you believe your secret reports no one ever saw - even not your hillbilly specialists ?
Thats the thing I love at you americans .. you have everything .. extreme credulous people - extrem clever people - extreme racism - extreme self convidence - extreme rich and extreme poor - extreme white and extreme black. Noting is impossible in the states.
Or as a buddy of mine once said .. America is the country where everthing is bigger - even the ignorance.
Before anyone is pissed - it is not only USA who goes that way. Manipulate some figures , bring out some rumours hide it behind pseudo famous names and the simple folk with a lack of education will follow you.
Worked since ages in 3rd world and some islam areas. The scary thing is that it slowly works now in so called first world .. it's not only America - it's also Germany with a run to the AFD Party - it's France with Le Pen , Netherland, Great Britain , Turkey and and and ... and everywhere they blame imigrants for being the major problem and only a strong and independand country is the solution.
No my friend - it isn't that way.
If you fear that one Mexican will take away your job - it is because he is better and not because he is Mexican. So continue in spreading your poison - but don't tell such a bullshit you did without thinking about it.
I don't judge voting for Trump or for Clinton - USA is and hopefully stays a free country where EVERYONE can say his opinion and vote whomever he or she wants - and can have an own opinion - but villainizing under the pretence of self created data like you do - that is populism. THAT is the lies you claim democrats to tell to the folks..
Go and look up your group, at the moment it looks for me as if their name Is Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm.

Created by: dudley_do_ride

11/5/16 @ 2:12pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Being a grown up isn't easy. Understanding how to vote and forging an unskewed view of reality are not trivial tasks.

You have to decide things like: Hate is worse than corruption. Risk taking is better than surrendering principles from fear. Honesty is more important than political expediency.

You have assign values to things like: knowledge & intelligence & freedom over piety.

You have to continually ask how you know what you think you know. You have to fight paranoia from creeping into your thinking.

And you have to have balanced objectives. Judge your society from a wide set of metrics instead of just how easy it is to amass large fortunes. How are the weakest, most vulnerable treated in your society? How much time are people devoting to public service? Are your people healthy, happy, leading fulfilling lives?

After bashing politicians for their corruption, I will say that there is skill to that profession. The concept of years of public service does have meaning. Years in the corporate world is not equivalent. Especially with today's greedy mindset. Many people spend their work day in corporate systems that are horrible compared to the free society that they live in. I am amazed at some of the things we tolerate from our company that we'd never tolerate from our government. I see large amounts of corporate waste and am amazed that the government is thought not to be trusted for managing anything by so many. While a cretin who amasses a fortune, even if from barely competently managing his inheritance, is worshipped by so many.

So yes is a war of ideas, of values, of virtues over vices and getting that critical view of reality much sharper.

Created by: sex_spert

11/5/16 @ 4:39pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Wow, a lot of misinformation to reply to here. One of the writers in this thread isn't even from the US and obviously has the typical Socialist/European political world view. I kind of think I know more about this country, since I actually LIVE HERE. I know very qualified workers who were laid off and have been looking for a job for a year and a half. They can't find any work because of Obama's depression. And that is what it is. My grandmother stated that this economy is at least as bad as the depression she experienced in the 1930s. At least that bad, if not worse. Wake up to the real world. It IS POSSIBLE to have millions of unemployed during a depression, and that's what makes it a depression.
For the last eight years, Obama has been doing everything he can to change this country in very fundamental ways. He hates democracy and freedom, and he wants us to be as close as we can to a socialist country. The only way to reverse all of this BS is to elect Trump/Pence, which is what we will do. Hillary would be four more years of what we have already had, and the majority of Americans don't want that.
Trump is not a shark, and I had nothing to do with choosing Trump as the nominee. By the time it was time for voting in Primaries in my state, Trump had already been selected. The only choice I have now is to vote Trump, like I said, ONLY because of Pence.
Like I said before, and apparently have to repeat because you don't read what I wrote, there is nothing racist about saying we need to secure the border. Race has nothing to do with it. Security and common sense has everything to do with it.
This is a choice between a career politician (Hillary has been a career politician for 30 years) and someone who knows how to run businesses who has not been a politician. Yes, Trump inherited his money. But he has run businesses successfully over the years, he knows the nuts and bolts, the ins and outs of how to run them and how the real world works. He wants to cut taxes across the board, which is the smartest thing to do. Obama has reversed Bush's tax cuts and has increased taxes dramatically, which is what socialists love to do.
Your socialist world view (and Hillary's) does not belong in this country. All one has to do is look at Greece. Their economy is in shambles because they have had socialist policies and socialist politicians in control there for so long. Socialism destroys economies, it always has, and it always will.
It is interesting that the ONLY candidate running for president being criticized in this thread is Donald Trump. Why do I never hear anyone else exposing the truth about Hillary and what a corrupt candidate she is? She is one of the worst candidates to have been nominated for the office. The fact that she is the very first woman to be nominated does not impress me. She is WRONG on every issue.

Created by: alberich

11/5/16 @ 5:18pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Wow, a lot of misinformation to reply to here. One of the writers in this thread isn't even from the US and obviously has the typical Socialist/European political world view. I kind of think I know more about this country, since I actually LIVE HERE....

Yes you are right .. I am european. But I also lived in the states for around two years - so unlike you I know both worlds.
A lol again about your knowledge of the world .. it impresses me how much you believe in factoids.
And yes - it's a proper and legit idea to try to get the money from where money is. If greece would have done - they wouldn't had that problem.
At the moment one of the worlds strongest economies is germany - and they represent all you hate - all of what you call stupid politics. You should look inside yourself and ask what you do wrong - and not what others do wrong.
I know Trump is an Angel not even a little bit corrupt at all - thats why he doesn't pay taxes - he simply doesn't need to. You pay for him.
And am wondering why you think Pence will be the one in charge when Trump becomes president not the Donald himself. I think you should go back to school and take the lessons about your constitution. Somehow you must have missed them. You should correct that quickly to keep your advance in knowledge about the states.
Maybe you won't hear anyone exposing the truth as she is as corrupt as Trump is - thought about that already ?
Once more - proof the facts you throw from hearsay. Go.ogle can help you with it - if you kindly ask there you get the right facts.
And don't tell me now that go.ogle is manipulated by Hillary - a woman who doesn't even know how to send mails without using the secured servers. After election you can explain her how to use a secured server - in case you know how to do.

Created by: dudley_do_ride

11/5/16 @ 6:29pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Wow, a lot of misinformation to reply to here.

OK you've made your position clear. I'll make this response to you so you get some feedback on particular claims.

Overall impression: frankly, not so good on history. The most damning: comparing this economy to the Great Depression and using Grandma to buttress the claim. All of us who had to learn all about the Great Depression in our high school days (or was it Junior High), who have had parents who have gone through it, know that we are in very very good times compared to those days. This is typical of the quality of argument that we see from your candidate. So obviously wrong that no trip to our library is necessary to know because all it takes is having paid attention and done some work during our primary education. He doesn't seem to have placed much value on his own education given all the nonsense that he has spouted.

Oh and he is your candidate. Yes your choices are limited but that doesn't relieve you of the responsibility for the man at the top of the ticket and whatever he does in office.

That you feel this way about the country probably means you are living in a depressed region. Or have family that does. It is true that not everybody has benefitted the same. That some sectors have been hit with high unemployment and even poverty. I don't want to minimize that or be insensitive to that real pain. I honestly don't think the Republicans are the best for these people but they of course are free to choose their own tonic.

The crack about socialism again to me shows ignorance. One reality is that the US, strictly speaking already is. We tried unfettered capitalism and it resulted in abuse, it was too heartless to be left unregulated. Labor unions had to fight to get a five day week and eliminate ch1ld labor. Corporations, railroad barons, the wealthy could not be relied upon to take care of the old, the sick, or those who simply became outdated as Progress ran ahead. We got the New Deal, medicare. The government paid for the highways so necessary to business. We built a powerful military that is a far cry from cobbled together state's militias. As I look toward retirement, after a long career where I've realized my dreams, I look to my government as my friend. It provided me my primary education that I built upon for my higher education. It protected me with police and army. It is there to provide a lift if I become outmoded and need to retool.

I think you owe a debt yourself to figures on the left. Some too far out there to be palatable but by fighting did provide an adversarial force that provided some needed protection from unfettered market and corporate forces.

Created by: sex_spert

11/5/16 @ 9:35pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Alb- Parts of Europe does have good leaders. Not the full-fledged socialist ones like Spain and others. Germany's PM is what a Republican would be over here. Germany is doing fairly well because of her policies. England's Tory PM is also a pretty good leader, though she is not an exact copy of Iron Maggy. You will find that most of the eastern European countries that were under Communism for so long like to elect and support pro-democracy leaders. They want nothing to do with the socialism they suffered under for so long.
ALL businesses take advantage of the many tax loopholes so that they can get as much relief from taxes as possible. It's the smart thing to do. You would do it too.
Pence would be in charge because Trump has already said all the major decisions will be made my him. He will go with whatever Pence suggests. I don't think he is lying about that. Trump will surround himself with the best, most knowledgeable people in economics, foreign policy matters, the courts, domestic policy, etc and will leave the ultimate decisions up to them. That's a great way to run a business, and that's also a fantastic way to run a country. Then the best decisions can be made.
I know what the Constitution says and what it doesn't say. I know the Constitution very well, thank you. I also know it is being violated every single day by this administration, and it is sickening to see. The Founders NEVER wanted a dictator like Obama who shells out Executive Orders that are unconstitutional and that no one agrees with.
DUD- there is nothing wrong with my history. Everyone knows someone who is out of a job and looking for one. Many have given up because there's no work to be found. This is NOT a thriving economy. And did you know, FDR actually extended the Depression. It could have only lasted for three or four years, but he extended it by seven years. There are many things he could have done, that he didn't do, and there are things he did that he should NEVER have done. He made it longer. WWII is what got us out of that Depression. With comments you have made, it certainly sounds to me like you are insensitive to those who are suffering in this economy.
If you want to call Trump the lesser of two evils, fine. Then he's the lesser of two evils. But he would be a LOT better than the alternative.
I repeat, socialism destroys economies. Always has. Just one example: LBJ was going to wipe OUT poverty and everyone would be prospering everywhere. His War on Poverty was a complete abject FAILURE. It INCREASED POVERTY. More and more people were made to depend upon government for their every need. It did the opposite of what he suggested it would do.

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