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Group chat's is for me. I have now become a free loader in party chats, I will admit. Cause everywhere I go now, people doing the talking haven't tip in over a year that I've seen since I've been on. I've seen many party chats over the year and did my share of tipping. Hence, this being said, some models do not have HD, so group is out the pic. Those I try to do tip if I know them. I have not read any of the above posting.. I just saying how group chats has changed me.. 50 credits pledge get me to group show.. tipping get me maybe to take shirt off and no hard cock. Not all times anyway, but way to many times. he he Quote

...mascnice, I agree with you that it seems like the people who do the most talking in party chat are the ones who do not tip. That is why I prefer Group Chat Quote

Quick question: Why do some people wait until after the pledge goal is met to pledge? I'm not talking about people who come in late and pledge in after the show has started. I am talking about guys who wait until others have pledged and pledged and then they come in once the 30 second countdown before the show starts to pledge a single 50 credit pledge. Why?

It just seems like a dick move on their part to wait until everyone else helped make the show happen and then get an entire show for 50 credits without actually helping to reach the goal. I know for certain that many models HATE when this happens, as the guys who wait until the last seconds to pledge 50 credits are usually the ones who try to turn a group chat into their own private show. If someone can tell me why this is happening, I would appreciate it. Quote

Quick question: Why do some people wait until after the pledge goal is met to pledge? I'm not talking about people who come in late and pledge in after the show has started. I am talking about guys who wait until others have pledged and pledged and then they come in once the 30 second countdown before the show starts to pledge a single 50 credit pledge. Why?

It just seems like a dick move on their part to wait until everyone else helped make the show happen and then get an entire show for 50 credits without actually helping to reach the goal. I know for certain that many models HATE when this happens, as the guys who wait until the last seconds to pledge 50 credits are usually the ones who try to turn a group chat into their own private show. If someone can tell me why this is happening, I would appreciate it.


I'm not sure that I understand the difference between a Member pledging 50 credits at the very start of a group chat and a member pledging 50 credits after the goal is met ? Both members have still pledged the exact same amount to the model and will get the same show?

I can't say why a member will wait to the end..perhaps they are afraid they wont get their pledge back if the target is not met ( even though we all know that is not true )

Regards
Bally
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I'm not sure that I understand the difference between a Member pledging 50 credits at the very start of a group chat and a member pledging 50 credits after the goal is met ? Both members have still pledged the exact same amount to the model and will get the same show?




It affects whether or not a goal is met. A member who pledges during the countdown helps the model reach their goal. If the last minute pledgers were to have pledged earlier, they could have helped the model meet the goal. Instead, it's about what THEY want, not about a GROUP show. Ya dig?

It's kind of hard to watch a model struggle through a countdown and barely make their goal, only to see 5 cheapskates pledge AFTER the goal is met. Like I said in my previous post, the guys who do this are the ones who try to make a group show into a multi-user private, so it just shows a total attitude of disrespect and self-importance that I simply can't understand or sympathize with. Quote

It's kind of hard to watch a model struggle through a countdown and barely make their goal, only to see 5 cheapskates pledge AFTER the goal is met. Like I said in my previous post, the guys who do this are the ones who try to make a group show into a multi-user private, so it just shows a total attitude of disrespect and self-importance that I simply can't understand or sympathize with.



Your posts have a very familiar ring to them. You don't really qualify what you say; you just make blanket statements which apparently are to be accepted as fact. However they ARE amusing, and as the disclaimer says, "everyone comes here for entertainment". Quote

It affects whether or not a goal is met. A member who pledges during the countdown helps the model reach their goal. If the last minute pledgers were to have pledged earlier, they could have helped the model meet the goal. Instead, it's about what THEY want, not about a GROUP show. Ya dig?

It's kind of hard to watch a model struggle through a countdown and barely make their goal, only to see 5 cheapskates pledge AFTER the goal is met. Like I said in my previous post, the guys who do this are the ones who try to make a group show into a multi-user private, so it just shows a total attitude of disrespect and self-importance that I simply can't understand or sympathize with.


It does not effect if the goal is met! ( if the target has not been met then you don't see any late pledging members )

Your question was why members wait till the group show target has been achieved , and then they add their pledge .... well if they don't add a pledge at that point the show will still go on ( its already been achieved ) , so better for the model if they do add their 50 credits to the pot ... no ??

I do not see how you would call members cheapskates for actually pledging and entering the show.. regardless of when they enter.

I tend to agree with chinmusic reagrding general/sweeping statements with little backup.

Regards
Bally


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Your posts have a very familiar ring to them. You don't really qualify what you say; you just make blanket statements which apparently are to be accepted as fact. However they ARE amusing, and as the disclaimer says, "everyone comes here for entertainment".


Yes, I have posted before under different names. I created this one as an homage/joke for a model. As far as I knew, this is somewhat common on the site.

I'm not going to give specific examples and name members who do this because that wasn't the point of my initial post. I'm not here to point fingers. I am just trying to find out WHY some members choose to wait until after the goal is met to pledge. So far I've had people question the content of my posts, but I've had no visible attempts at a direct answer. I may have generalized when I said that members who do this act in certain way and, if anyone is a post-goal pledger who doesn't act that way and they were offended, I apologize.

I just want to know why this one pattern of behavior (post-goal pledging, just to reiterate) exists. That's all. Quote

It does not effect if the goal is met! ( if the target has not been met then you don't see any late pledging members )

Your question was why members wait till the group show target has been achieved , and then they add their pledge .... well if they don't add a pledge at that point the show will still go on ( its already been achieved ) , so better for the model if they do add their 50 credits to the pot ... no ??




I want to know why some wait until that point instead of pledging during the countdown. It doesn't matter to the members when they pledge, but it certainly matters to the model because the timing of a pledge can determine whether or not their goal is met. If the goal isn't met and they don't pledge, then why would they have pledged if the goal had been met? Why not pledge earlier and help the model reach their goal? Quote

Hi everyone! Good to see you all again. Just thought I'd put my in about the whole Group Chat thing. I don't want to focus on the credit side of the debate though...just what I've seen so far from a model's experience who's been around for a while (1-year as of yesterday!).

Personally, I VERY MUCH ENJOY Group Chat. In a year of modeling, I think I only enjoyed Party Chat maybe 5 or 6 times. It's no fun to me. I feel like I'm begging and I don't think that is sexy at all. But on the flip side, Group Chats feel like they have a LOT of energy to them and that we're all working hard TOGETHER to make something fun happen. So THAT feels like an EVENT to me. It's a lot of fun (from a model perspective) to watch "the team" get closer and closer to the pledge goal. Once achieved and everyone (that pledged) gets taken into the Group Chat, it feels like a bunch of friends having some naughty fun together. I LOVE IT when members all talk to me and to each other in the Group Chat because it brings a LOT of energy to my modeling and to my performance. Plus I get the sense that the members are also becoming friends with each other in the process and that's pretty cool in my book. Because I know everyone has shown their support towards me (via credits) I feel a LOT more uninhibited in Group Chat, because I don't need to worry about freeloaders (like in Group Chat) or feel like my friends are supporting those that don't support me. Group Chat feels more equitable to me. I love it. I get the sense that the generous consensus is that MOST people--members and models--feel the same way.

I would like to offer a few suggestions/pieces of friendly advice to everyone (in order to make sure that everyone has a GREAT Group Chat experience--and I'll eventually add these + expand upon them to my sticky thread about having a positive experience with a model):

#1--Please read the Group Chat topic during the pledge drive. It is there that you will find out what a model is communicating will be the "theme" of his show. For instance (and I'll just use myself as an example, so I don't accidentally upset any models): Last night I offered a Group Chat that said, "Fucking hot ass play with FOUR fingers!" That is what I said I would do if we reached the credit goal (we did ). I did not say I would play with my cock, use dildos, cum, or bake cookies (although I REALLY wanted to bake cookies). So using that example, a member should not ask (or command) a model to "cum" or "get hard" or "shove a 40 foot dildo up your smooth hole". LOL An example of what a member COULD ask for (using this example) would be, "Adam, would you give us a close up of your hole while you shove your fingers in, please?" Sure!!!! "Adam, would you please throw you legs up over your head while you pummel your hole with your fingers?" SURE!!!!! See what I mean?

#2--Please be respectful of both the model AND other members in the Group Chat with you. NO ONE likes a mean person--especially when we are all horny and want to have a hot time! Please say, "please" and "thank you" when asking something of the model or when the model does what you ask him to do. Plus manners are VERY HOT!!!

#3--Group Chat is NOT a 1-on-1 Private Chat. This seems pretty obvious, but unfortunately for many members (and MANY models!!), it is not. A model that focuses on only 1 member in Group Chat is very rude (in my book) to his other fans that have paid good money to see the show. On the flip side, a member that acts like it's his 1-on-1 Private Chat show is being very rude to both the model and other members. The one exception to this "rule" is when a member has pledged the vast majority of the goal--and every member agrees that it should be "his show" and they are just along for the hot ride. In that case, it's alright. But again--everyone has to agree so that everyone is happy!

#4--Tipping: While tipping a model in Group Chat is NOT required, it is ALWAYS appreciated by a top model. It's a great way to say "thank you" for a great show or to just show your love and appreciation for a model. Also, if you would like a model to add something to his Group Chat (for instance--if you want them to slip an extra finger in his hole or whatever), you could ask the model, "If I tip you 250 credits, would you also do this______?" It never hurts to ask.

#5--Entering the Group Chat AFTER the Show Has Begun: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE say hello to the model (either as a whisper or to the entire room)!!!!! It is friendly. Also, often times there are SEVERAL members in the Group Chat and the model may not have noticed that you have come in. A top model will want to welcome you to his Group Chat and at the very least say hello to you as well. However, if the model is VERY busy performing, he may not be able to stop what he is is doing and call you out by name. He is NOT trying to be disrespectful...he's just focused on putting on a damn good Group Chat for you all. I know you all understand that...and we top models APPRECIATE IT!!!!

#6--Members Encouraging Other Members: Want to know how to earn a special place in a model's heart if you are not able to join a Group Chat? Stick around the model's room while he's in Group Chat and encourage other members to join the Group Chat in progress. That's team work and models REALLY appreciate it. Top models know that members can not spend credits on every single Group Chat (even though we all dream that they could haha), so when we see several members appear in our Group Chat after it starts, we are very grateful for the love and support of our long-time fans/friends that help us out in this way. (BIG HUGE HUGS!!!!!)

#7--The Group Chat "Contract": Models say that they will do this or that in Group Chat. Members who want to see what the model is offering pledge credits to see that show. If a model does NOT do what he has promised, that model has broken his "contract" with those members--and that is NOT right. : Top models always keep their word (to the best of their ability). Please understand, however, that sometimes our unpredictable male anatomy (LOL) may not always want to cooperate (getting hard or being able to cum, for example). If a model says that "I will cum in Group Chat within 5 minutes," well that's generally not realistic and you should probably be suspicious--and generally avoid those Group Chats. However, if a model is performing a 40 minute Group Chat and is VERY CLEARLY giving his members a GOOD FAITH EFFORT to make that happen...and unfortunately, it does not...please don't hate us or get mad. As long as a GOOD FAITH EFFORT has been given, please give the model the benefit of the doubt. THAT SAID--and again using this example--if a model in 40 minute Group Chat has promised a cum shot...and couldn't get it done in that time frame, a TOP MODEL (and/or one that cares about his fans) WILL find a way to make sure that he delivers on that promise. I know that it has happened to me before (not being able to cum), so what I did (and I've seen other top models do this as well)...is to IMMEDIATELY switch over to PARTY CHAT and finish the job there. In this case, the model should NOT NOT NOT NOT ask for additional tips (from members that were in the Group Chat), because that would be VERY RUDE. If a member that was not in the Group Chat wishes to tip--great--but please do not feel the need to tip if you were in the Group Chat (unless you want to). Top Models are not switching over to Party Chat to "make more credits"...we're switching over to Party Chat so that we can fulfill our "contractual" promise to you out of respect to you!!!

#8--VODs--Many members have asked about VODs for Group Chats. At this time, Flirt4Free does NOT record Group Chats. They are NOT turned into VODs. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knows this so that there is no confusion or disappointment.

#9--How Group Chat Works: There has been a LOT of confusion (mainly from new members) about how Group Chat works. Group Chat is a relatively NEW chat experience that began in August 2011. Flirt 4 Free worked VERY hard on this new enhancement to the site and I believe that most of us agree that it has been a wonderful experience once most of the kinks were ironed out. Here is the sequence for how Group Chat Works.....

Step 1) A model gives members in his chat room a credit goal to reach, a time limit to reach that credit goal, and informs members in his chat room how long the Group Chat will be and what the model wants to do for his performance in that Group Chat.

Step 2) Members "pledge" credits towards that credit goal.

Step 3) At the current time, the MAXIMUM time limit for the pledge drive to reach the goal is 15 minutes.

Step 4) An interesting development that has been noticed by Top Models is that when members pledge early in the pledge drive, other members are encouraged to also pledge...and it is more likely that the pledge goal will be met. When members wait until the last minute, the livelihood of reaching the goal is significantly less. The moral? Pledge early and try to get most of the pledge goal on the early side of the countdown clock and don't wait until the end, if you would like to see the show.

Step 5) Pledges are NOT tips. The model does not earn ANY credits unless the pledge goal is reached. Further, if the pledge goal is NOT reached, the pledged credits NEVER leave the member's account. It is risk-free (from that perspective). To test this out, pledge 50 credits towards a model's Group Chat (that clearly isn't going to happen) and then once it does not, check your member account. You will notice that your credits are still there!!!!

Step 6) Further, once a model has reached the pledge goal and the Group Chat has begun, IF the model exits the Group Chat BEFORE the clock has finished, that model will NOT have earned ANY CREDITS. Your credits will be returned to you. Again, a model has a "contractual" obligation to fulfill his promise to his paying members!!! Please understand however, that a (very rare) technical glitch may happen from time to time (which is NOT the model's fault). If you experience this--and the model has CLEARLY given a GOOD FAITH EFFORT to perform what he has promised!!!!--please be kind and just tip the model what you had originally pledged so that he is not discouraged. That said, you are not obligated to do so--it is however, very kind and the model would very much appreciate it.

Step 7) Members that have pledged credits towards a Group Chat may enter and exit a Group Chat whenever and as frequently as they so desire. For example, once the Group Chat has begun, you may leave and re-enter again without having to pledge additional credits. I'm not sure why you would want to (grin) but you are free to do so. Please know, that if the pledge goal has been reached, the credits that you have pledged WILL be taken out of your account, whether or not you decide to watch the show. Further, BEFORE the pledge goal has been reached, you are free to exit and re-enter the model's Open Chat. Your pledge will still "count" whether or not you are actually in the model's room. There has been a LOT of confusion on this point, so I hope this clears it up.

Step 8) Members that pledge credits towards a Group Chat DO earn power boost points for the show!!! Again, check your member account to discover your increased power boost points!!!

Step 9) During the Group Chat Show, members that are NOT in the Group Chat show CAN see what members that ARE in the Group Chat show are typing. Flirt 4 Free has designed the chat feature in this way so that members that are NOT in the Group Chat can see all the fun that they are missing and be encouraged to also join the Group Chat. So typing in the model's room during Group Chat actually HELPS that model both credit wise--and for the model to be more fully engaged with the members in the Group Chat. So type away and have fun!!!!

Step 10) When the pledge goal has been reached, ALL members that have pledged credits towards the Group Chat are taken to Group Chat (behind the curtain) to enjoy the show. At this time, the curtain will be closed for non-pledging members. And UNLIKE other chat options, there are NO "sneak peaks" for non-pledging members. The curtain will NOT temporarily be raised.

Step 11) After the Group Chat has begun, members that have not pledged credits may pledge 50 credits (at the time of this post's writing) and join the Group Chat with the other pledging members. Members may do this up until 50% of the Group Chat's clock is complete. For instance, if the Group Chat is scheduled to be 10 minutes, a non-pledging member may pledge 50 credits to join the Group Chat for the first 5 minutes of the Group Chat. (Please note that some models find this annoying and hate this feature--and have lobbied aggressively to Flirt to either raise the credit amount or eliminate the feature entirely. The reason for this is that it is viewed by some models (and members!!!) as a way for "cheap" members to take advantage of members that have pledged for the show initially and basically get a super cheap show. Not all models (or members) feel this way, however. I am just presenting "the reality" for a lot of members and models. If I may humbly suggest a way to avoid these negative feelings: If you enter the Group Chat AFTER the show has begun, as a gesture of GOOD FAITH and kindness, you may want to consider tipping an additional 50 credits to show the model (and other members) that you're one of "the good guys". (But please know you have no obligation to do so.)

Step 12) HAVE FUN!

ON BEHALF OF ALL OF MY FELLOW TOP-MODELS, I wish ALL members (and models alike) a very happy Group Chat experience. Have fun and if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me (or any other Top-Model). Most of us would be VERY happy to answer your questions and/or clear up any confusion. xoxo --Adam Foxx Quote

Thanks for your post Adam. I would appreciate you posting this in the model's forum as well. Ask them to pay particular attention to the parts about tipping (#4) after the group chat starts and the "contractual agreement" (#7) aspect of the group chat topic. Quote

Thanks for your post Adam. I would appreciate you posting this in the model's forum as well. Ask them to pay particular attention to the parts about tipping (#4) after the group chat starts and the "contractual agreement" (#7) aspect of the group chat topic.

Way ahead of you my friend. Posted this to the Model's forums a few hours ago. --AF

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...Copius, I believe that some members wait until near the end of pledge time so that they will only have to pledge one time. It makes no sense to me, but that is my observation. Quote

I do prefer group chat vs. party chat. Some models have successful party chats and if any of my favorite models have a party chat I always tip. However, there are those freeloaders that come in and get a sneak peek when regular members do all the tipping. This is not fair to the performer. Group chats are successful in many cases because you pledge toward the goal that the performer sets. If the goal isn't met, then your credits are refunded back to you. There are only two things that I would like to see change in a group chat: 1) when we pledge those credits should count toward our score in the game 2) a recording of the show would be nice . Quote

...I agree, credits should count towards the flirt game.

...VS said in the beginning that they would look into the possible recording of the shows, it seems they have decided against it. Quote

...I'll get it started. Party chat works well for some performers, but I prefer Group Chat. I have attended many group chats and all of them have been great.

...My vote goes to Group Chat



Performers on the brink to completely abandon both. The main reason lies in the fact that at the time of party chat in the room going from 10 to 40 paying members. But in reality, no one throws a tip even if he really likes the show. But they sit until the end of the party chat and watch a free show.(Put yourself in the performer who shot milk in party chat and got nothing but words of gratitude from some users.)
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Party chat has its purposes, but I prefer group chats. Quote

Performers on the brink to completely abandon both.



Abandon both? I have heard models don't like party chat but I have not heard of any models who want to do away with group chat. Quote

Abandon both? I have heard models don't like party chat but I have not heard of any models who want to do away with group chat.


Most top models very much enjoy Group Chat. --AF Quote