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Male Performer Chat: Anyone else on here been asked by a model to send them some money outside of this site?
Don’t be manipulated and then realize at the last minute when all communication is ended that you’ve been taken advantage of! The performer your giving money to will decide when the offline shenanigans are over. When your giving money offline you are hoping for something more wether you realize it or not. If the person your giving money to is younger, physically fit, better looking than you then thing you are hoping for won’t happen! The person your giving money to offline is way smarter than you think they are and they have you wrapped around their finger. When they are done with you they will cut you off from their life ending all communication and worse if you have met in person they will get the restraining order and then reality will set in and you’ll be left with nothing but regret.
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Don’t be manipulated and then realize at the last minute when all communication is ended that you’ve been taken advantage of! The performer your giving money to will decide when the offline shenanigans are over. When your giving money offline you are hoping for something more wether you realize it or not. If the person your giving money to is younger, physically fit, better looking than you then thing you are hoping for won’t happen! The person your giving money to offline is way smarter than you think they are and they have you wrapped around their finger. When they are done with you they will cut you off from their life ending all communication and worse if you have met in person they will get the restraining order and then reality will set in and you’ll be left with nothing but regret.
The ones that ask for money directly offline will take advantage! A person who asks for money for you to give to them directly through an app or any other way is using you to get paid. They will be nice, friendly, and tell you other persuasive things (of course!) because they want to keep receiving your money. Here is a quote from cialdini’s 6 principles of persuasion : “the more you like someone, the more you’ll be persuaded by them“. If there is another online fan site to support them on than that would be safer and you would get a video to see again. I don’t desire to give anyone money offsite because people that become models on F4F should know what they are getting into (I think most do!) before they take on a gig like this. I don’t let the sob stories get to me because its just manipulation they are smart enough to get a job as a model so they can get a different one if they aren’t happy with the pay. Just have fun, enjoy the good models, and stay away from the manipulating scammers. There are nice, friendly and respectful models that won’t try to take advantage of your wallet. Quote
The ones that ask for money directly offline will take advantage! A person who asks for money for you to give to them directly through an app or any other way is using you to get paid. They will be nice, friendly, and tell you other persuasive things (of course!) because they want to keep receiving your money. Here is a quote from cialdini’s 6 principles of persuasion : “the more you like someone, the more you’ll be persuaded by them“. If there is another online fan site to support them on than that would be safer and you would get a video to see again. I don’t desire to give anyone money offsite because people that become models on F4F should know what they are getting into (I think most do!) before they take on a gig like this. I don’t let the sob stories get to me because its just manipulation they are smart enough to get a job as a model so they can get a different one if they aren’t happy with the pay. Just have fun, enjoy the good models, and stay away from the manipulating scammers. There are nice, friendly and respectful models that won’t try to take advantage of your wallet. Quote
If they are whispering to you, they may be whispering to several others in the chatroom. All the keyboard activity in a private show could be another client. These are good looking guys with girlfriends/partners/wives. They are not wholly single and they are not wholly single for you. Just have fun for yourself. Don't get into the emailing scam of thinking you are the one and only. When I was able to see a VOD of a scammer that was not labelled as "don't share" by another client who was in love with my performer, and the words, the promises, the conversation and the explanation to the other client that I was just a desperate person was the same explanation this guy gave me about that client, it was sickening.
We're in here for fun, we pay for it. As far as beyond a superficial friendship here based on money, there is no above and beyond.
It doesn't matter how little they make, and this is where I respectfully disagree with the above by powertop10, we DON"T subsidize them for a poor contract or perceived poor income made here. They take what they agreed to, that is what they get.
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We're in here for fun, we pay for it. As far as beyond a superficial friendship here based on money, there is no above and beyond.
It doesn't matter how little they make, and this is where I respectfully disagree with the above by powertop10, we DON"T subsidize them for a poor contract or perceived poor income made here. They take what they agreed to, that is what they get.
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Remember guys: never send money to someone you don't know. Scam artists will keep developing the most unimaginable and sophisticated ways to take advantage of you. Don't let them.
Concur, agree, yes, uh-huh, and right on. VERY sophisticated, even if they are 18 or 19 years old. They can trick you out of your paycheck. Make them perform or do something for you. There's never any "help me do this or do that", there's only show for cash. Cash for show. Tell them to take the pity party elsewhere.
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Concur, agree, yes, uh-huh, and right on. VERY sophisticated, even if they are 18 or 19 years old. They can trick you out of your paycheck. Make them perform or do something for you. There's never any "help me do this or do that", there's only show for cash. Cash for show. Tell them to take the pity party elsewhere.
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I was lured off site twice. First time, a performer and I had an onsite "friendship" for over a year. We communicated offsite. I was convinced it may be a friendship. He kept asking for small amounts of money, then for more and I stopped when the "meeting" was becoming more and more out of reach and he became more and more distant as I sent less money. Then poof, ghosted.
The next time, I came back to the site and I befriended another performer. I was more wary, but he decided to strike out on his own offsite and he wanted to maintain our friendship. Then, a conversation started on an app, we share "moments and photos" of our lives or rather who knows what from his life...probably reconstructed photos. He made it sound like a good friendship. It was one, two weeks.....Then BAM...the question. "I am really having a hard time and I'm not chatting anymore, so can you lend me some money since your are working, baby?" I said no, I had other responsibilities. End of conversation from him.
These friendships can seem very real here. Especially if you are normally socially awkward or just downright butt ugly like me. But they are not. They are here to perform. You are here to pay.
Don't try to make off with anyone offsite. It's not worth your time or money. And it's not real. No matter what you hear.
Just enjoy it for what it is, entertainment. The names are not real. There is NO relationship. Play, pay, leave...rinse, lather, repeat.
One of the traps one can fall into is forming presuppositions based upon the own personal experience only.
Most of the truths exist outside our experience...
Anyway, that's all for today. Hope you gentlemen find this forum thread as interesting and meaningful as I did.
Respectfully,
FG
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The next time, I came back to the site and I befriended another performer. I was more wary, but he decided to strike out on his own offsite and he wanted to maintain our friendship. Then, a conversation started on an app, we share "moments and photos" of our lives or rather who knows what from his life...probably reconstructed photos. He made it sound like a good friendship. It was one, two weeks.....Then BAM...the question. "I am really having a hard time and I'm not chatting anymore, so can you lend me some money since your are working, baby?" I said no, I had other responsibilities. End of conversation from him.
These friendships can seem very real here. Especially if you are normally socially awkward or just downright butt ugly like me. But they are not. They are here to perform. You are here to pay.
Don't try to make off with anyone offsite. It's not worth your time or money. And it's not real. No matter what you hear.
Just enjoy it for what it is, entertainment. The names are not real. There is NO relationship. Play, pay, leave...rinse, lather, repeat.
One of the traps one can fall into is forming presuppositions based upon the own personal experience only.
Most of the truths exist outside our experience...
Anyway, that's all for today. Hope you gentlemen find this forum thread as interesting and meaningful as I did.
Respectfully,
FG
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Things are not always as they appear. A model who asks for off-site money may not be quite as guilty as everyone thinks. He may be pressured by an abusive studio boss.
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Things are not always as they appear. A model who asks for off-site money may not be quite as guilty as everyone thinks. He may be pressured by an abusive studio boss.
In that case, giving off-site money is supporting the studio boss and perpetuating the abuse.
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In that case, giving off-site money is supporting the studio boss and perpetuating the abuse.
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In that case, giving off-site money is supporting the studio boss and perpetuating the abuse.
Never recommended giving money. But even routine tipping is supporting studio bosses. The point is that trashing the morals of the model might be missing the point in some cases.
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gofish
8/5/21 @ 4:34pm
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Think if this happens the best advise to that member is report that model to the site. Models like that only degrade the status of the site. Any model on the site who choses to go beyond the what is OK on the site clearly shows a disrespect for the members in the room. I know there are some members out that that might not be the best, but overall most members I have encountered are respectful and show appreciation in a model's room any which way they can.
Think the key with checking out the models on the site is take note of the way they treat the viewers in the room...yes even those guestusers. The character of pretty much ever model on the site is like an open book if you take the time watch what is going on.
I will say while there might be a few rotten egg models here , but there are many who are well worth checking out.
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Think the key with checking out the models on the site is take note of the way they treat the viewers in the room...yes even those guestusers. The character of pretty much ever model on the site is like an open book if you take the time watch what is going on.
I will say while there might be a few rotten egg models here , but there are many who are well worth checking out.
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From reading forum threads like this, I knew that this may happen, and as the model and I messaged over time, I was just waiting for the day to come, and it did. A few hours later I wrote back that I didn’t think it would be a good idea and that I preferred to support him by tipping him instead, which I will continue to do. I am sure he was disappointed and maybe he will end our offsite messaging because of it. TBD.
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tristan_normand
10/20/21 @ 4:29pm
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Bobby Nite, your story is shared by many others in several posts in the conversations. This is a place of entertainment, not a meeting place to have a wonderful Kumbaya moment with friends. Your experience with scammers is not unique, and we should all learn from it. Don't give money off site.
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From reading forum threads like this, I knew that this may happen, and as the model and I messaged over time, I was just waiting for the day to come, and it did. A few hours later I wrote back that I didn’t think it would be a good idea and that I preferred to support him by tipping him instead, which I will continue to do. I am sure he was disappointed and maybe he will end our offsite messaging because of it. TBD.
That was the smart decision! The model was hoping you would be delusional and fall for their attempt to get you to give money to them directly. This happened to me too and I was still nice to the model. I also told them I’d rather support them on the site. The last straw was a couple days ago when they tried to ask again. So I had to removed them from my favorites. They still think I like them because I was so nice (I’m always respectful to models) and they don’t know that I’m not going to see them on here again and that I think very little of them because they kept trying to scam me by asking for money directly. Any model that does this doesn’t really care about you as the customer. If anyone is giving money to model directly just know that the person taking advantage of you just sees you as an idiot ( and not a customer) who is giving them money offsite. they are probably laughing with their friends and telling them about how many people they are scamming including you. Quote
That was the smart decision! The model was hoping you would be delusional and fall for their attempt to get you to give money to them directly. This happened to me too and I was still nice to the model. I also told them I’d rather support them on the site. The last straw was a couple days ago when they tried to ask again. So I had to removed them from my favorites. They still think I like them because I was so nice (I’m always respectful to models) and they don’t know that I’m not going to see them on here again and that I think very little of them because they kept trying to scam me by asking for money directly. Any model that does this doesn’t really care about you as the customer. If anyone is giving money to model directly just know that the person taking advantage of you just sees you as an idiot ( and not a customer) who is giving them money offsite. they are probably laughing with their friends and telling them about how many people they are scamming including you. Quote
One favorite method luring you to outside apps, talk all sort of small talk, sending messages that make you feel you could have a relationship, sending photos (edited and cropped, telling you sad sack stories about their family. A lot of flirting will go on until they get enough courage up to ask you for money.. When you say no, mysteriously the communication disappear.
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This kind of situation probably wouldn't happen so often if Flirt didn't take 70% or more of the model's earnings, and their studio half of what's left (well, if the studio ever actually pays the models). So if a customer spends $100, the model sees $15 or less. My prediction is that fewer and fewer models are going to rely on a site like this which rips them off so exorbitantly.
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This kind of situation probably wouldn't happen so often if Flirt didn't take 70% or more of the model's earnings, and their studio half of what's left (well, if the studio ever actually pays the models). So if a customer spends $100, the model sees $15 or less. My prediction is that fewer and fewer models are going to rely on a site like this which rips them off so exorbitantly.
Hornysucker1, that is why the Russian and other models operate on several sites, to maximize their meager earnings after the studios take their cut before the State takes their cut. The belami models have a draconian contract that that doesn't allow them to work outside of here and the porn actors get paid very little in comparison to the US and they can't film anywhere else although there is one beautiful Czech guy, Ben Lily, that has managed to do it. I was floored by how little they're paid to do a scene even in their own currency after I befriended several of their ex-actors outside off this site. They were still desperate for money even after several films and even after traveling to Africa and all over central Europe to film. Their bodies perpetuated on film forever to make money for the film studio and their scenes are release over time after they have left the studio. Some are released even long after they leave. For example, "Karl Brunni" left in 2019 and now he shows up in a film of freshmen, introduced as if he were a new guy. "Freddy McQueen" filmed many films in 2019 and we still have to see his film although some photographers have shown previews of him filming in Africa on their photography websites on fb and Ig. Joe Brady with the enormous schlong is just now seen on freshmen after quitting almost 2 years ago.
Many ex-camboys still look for the few jobs their country affords them after they leave here, and as much as we may fall in love with their image here, as much as we feel badly about their financial situation, it is a bad idea to send money to them outside of here. I know they get a much smaller percentage of what they earn here, but there is protection for you as a client here. Out there, you can get massively ripped off and your identity is at risk.
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Hornysucker1, that is why the Russian and other models operate on several sites, to maximize their meager earnings after the studios take their cut before the State takes their cut. The belami models have a draconian contract that that doesn't allow them to work outside of here and the porn actors get paid very little in comparison to the US and they can't film anywhere else although there is one beautiful Czech guy, Ben Lily, that has managed to do it. I was floored by how little they're paid to do a scene even in their own currency after I befriended several of their ex-actors outside off this site. They were still desperate for money even after several films and even after traveling to Africa and all over central Europe to film. Their bodies perpetuated on film forever to make money for the film studio and their scenes are release over time after they have left the studio. Some are released even long after they leave. For example, "Karl Brunni" left in 2019 and now he shows up in a film of freshmen, introduced as if he were a new guy. "Freddy McQueen" filmed many films in 2019 and we still have to see his film although some photographers have shown previews of him filming in Africa on their photography websites on fb and Ig. Joe Brady with the enormous schlong is just now seen on freshmen after quitting almost 2 years ago.
Many ex-camboys still look for the few jobs their country affords them after they leave here, and as much as we may fall in love with their image here, as much as we feel badly about their financial situation, it is a bad idea to send money to them outside of here. I know they get a much smaller percentage of what they earn here, but there is protection for you as a client here. Out there, you can get massively ripped off and your identity is at risk.
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> it is a bad idea to send money to them outside of here. I know they get a much smaller percentage of what they earn here, but there is protection for you as a client here.<
Yes Mischief_Maker that is the safest and smartest option! I would never give money offsite. I Don’t feel bad for them they knew how to get the job with this site or with the pornography studio. They can take care of themselves it’s not your responsibility to take care of them directly with your money.
For those of you currently being scammed that happen to read this just know that the model scamming you thinks you are a complete idiot! They really don’t think your smart they think your stupid and your easy to manipulate.
Keep in mind that a lot of the stories you hear from these models are lies only to get you to pay them directly and that’s the only purpose of the conversation happening in social media or some other app offsite or through messages on site.
It’s manipulation they want to make you feel bad for them so they can persuade your to pay them directly. If you like the model or think you have a connection with them then it will be easier for them to persuade you. So just keep in mind the connection is fake most of the models are not being real with you they are spinning false stories to persuade you and because they are protecting their identity too. It’s all fantasy don’t think its more than that because it’s not.
If you visit a model constantly they may think of you differently than others but it’s still not a real friendship and the tip me and money request will always happen. A real friend isn’t always asking you to give them something and because of the purpose and atmosphere of this site and in the chat room there is no real friendship that can occur through the interactions happening only a friendly customer/client relationship.
Having the right perspective during your time frequenting this site can save you grief and loss of money for nothing in return because the scammer will most definitely leave you high and dry when they’re done with you. making all the interactions meaningless like nothingness. Quote
Yes Mischief_Maker that is the safest and smartest option! I would never give money offsite. I Don’t feel bad for them they knew how to get the job with this site or with the pornography studio. They can take care of themselves it’s not your responsibility to take care of them directly with your money.
For those of you currently being scammed that happen to read this just know that the model scamming you thinks you are a complete idiot! They really don’t think your smart they think your stupid and your easy to manipulate.
Keep in mind that a lot of the stories you hear from these models are lies only to get you to pay them directly and that’s the only purpose of the conversation happening in social media or some other app offsite or through messages on site.
It’s manipulation they want to make you feel bad for them so they can persuade your to pay them directly. If you like the model or think you have a connection with them then it will be easier for them to persuade you. So just keep in mind the connection is fake most of the models are not being real with you they are spinning false stories to persuade you and because they are protecting their identity too. It’s all fantasy don’t think its more than that because it’s not.
If you visit a model constantly they may think of you differently than others but it’s still not a real friendship and the tip me and money request will always happen. A real friend isn’t always asking you to give them something and because of the purpose and atmosphere of this site and in the chat room there is no real friendship that can occur through the interactions happening only a friendly customer/client relationship.
Having the right perspective during your time frequenting this site can save you grief and loss of money for nothing in return because the scammer will most definitely leave you high and dry when they’re done with you. making all the interactions meaningless like nothingness. Quote
> it is a bad idea to send money to them outside of here. I know they get a much smaller percentage of what they earn here, but there is protection for you as a client here.<
Yes Mischief_Maker that is the safest and smartest option! I would never give money offsite. I Don’t feel bad for them they knew how to get the job with this site or with the pornography studio. They can take care of themselves it’s not your responsibility to take care of them directly with your money.
For those of you currently being scammed that happen to read this just know that the model scamming you thinks you are a complete idiot! They really don’t think your smart they think your stupid and your easy to manipulate.
Keep in mind that a lot of the stories you hear from these models are lies only to get you to pay them directly and that’s the only purpose of the conversation happening in social media or some other app offsite or through messages on site.
It’s manipulation they want to make you feel bad for them so they can persuade your to pay them directly. If you like the model or think you have a connection with them then it will be easier for them to persuade you. So just keep in mind the connection is fake most of the models are not being real with you they are spinning false stories to persuade you and because they are protecting their identity too. It’s all fantasy don’t think its more than that because it’s not.
If you visit a model constantly they may think of you differently than others but it’s still not a real friendship and the tip me and money request will always happen. A real friend isn’t always asking you to give them something and because of the purpose and atmosphere of this site and in the chat room there is no real friendship that can occur through the interactions happening only a friendly customer/client relationship.
Having the right perspective during your time frequenting this site can save you grief and loss of money for nothing in return because the scammer will most definitely leave you high and dry when they’re done with you. making all the interactions meaningless like nothingness.
To clarify my opinion further: every model here is not bad. There are lots of good models here that want to form good understanding relationship for the purposes of this site which are tip or take private if you like model for different requests or fantasy. The models are not here for nothing it’s their job they want to make money but If you meet a model here and they are trying to get you to go offline to give them direct payment with them then understand that’s a red flag so consider staying away from them or take a screenshot of their message to you. I would like to encourage everyone to have that right perspective, enjoy the site, and have fun with your favorite model.
Models that read this I want you to know that I don’t give money for nothing I won’t tip or take private for nothing in return. I hope the models that read this do not waste your time trying to ask me to go offline or download an app to give you money directly because I never will. I like this site it’s organized and it’s secure with good customer service. I will not risk security and safety for foolishness offline so don’t bother asking me to go offline for the purpose of direct monetary compensation from me. I despise scammers so I will take screenshot of your messages and go to customer service. Thank you. Quote
Yes Mischief_Maker that is the safest and smartest option! I would never give money offsite. I Don’t feel bad for them they knew how to get the job with this site or with the pornography studio. They can take care of themselves it’s not your responsibility to take care of them directly with your money.
For those of you currently being scammed that happen to read this just know that the model scamming you thinks you are a complete idiot! They really don’t think your smart they think your stupid and your easy to manipulate.
Keep in mind that a lot of the stories you hear from these models are lies only to get you to pay them directly and that’s the only purpose of the conversation happening in social media or some other app offsite or through messages on site.
It’s manipulation they want to make you feel bad for them so they can persuade your to pay them directly. If you like the model or think you have a connection with them then it will be easier for them to persuade you. So just keep in mind the connection is fake most of the models are not being real with you they are spinning false stories to persuade you and because they are protecting their identity too. It’s all fantasy don’t think its more than that because it’s not.
If you visit a model constantly they may think of you differently than others but it’s still not a real friendship and the tip me and money request will always happen. A real friend isn’t always asking you to give them something and because of the purpose and atmosphere of this site and in the chat room there is no real friendship that can occur through the interactions happening only a friendly customer/client relationship.
Having the right perspective during your time frequenting this site can save you grief and loss of money for nothing in return because the scammer will most definitely leave you high and dry when they’re done with you. making all the interactions meaningless like nothingness.
To clarify my opinion further: every model here is not bad. There are lots of good models here that want to form good understanding relationship for the purposes of this site which are tip or take private if you like model for different requests or fantasy. The models are not here for nothing it’s their job they want to make money but If you meet a model here and they are trying to get you to go offline to give them direct payment with them then understand that’s a red flag so consider staying away from them or take a screenshot of their message to you. I would like to encourage everyone to have that right perspective, enjoy the site, and have fun with your favorite model.
Models that read this I want you to know that I don’t give money for nothing I won’t tip or take private for nothing in return. I hope the models that read this do not waste your time trying to ask me to go offline or download an app to give you money directly because I never will. I like this site it’s organized and it’s secure with good customer service. I will not risk security and safety for foolishness offline so don’t bother asking me to go offline for the purpose of direct monetary compensation from me. I despise scammers so I will take screenshot of your messages and go to customer service. Thank you. Quote
Short answer to the original question: yes, once back in 2014.
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I would like to tell you if you can talk to me by another means my love I would love to make video calls
I just got the above message from a model in my inbox, a new favorite. I don't want to make video calls. I don't speak Spanish. I don't need a phone call. I could hear a crying baby outside their room. This is a "gay" couple in South America.
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I just got the above message from a model in my inbox, a new favorite. I don't want to make video calls. I don't speak Spanish. I don't need a phone call. I could hear a crying baby outside their room. This is a "gay" couple in South America.
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olivierarnot
3/3/22 @ 4:52am
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Location: Europe
Posts: 256
You should never give money off site. A baby crying....sounds like it is staged for you to feel sympathy for them. There are easier places and many other charity sites that will give to this "gay couple". They baby may not even be their baby. They may not even be a couple but using one of their girlfriend's babies. I am not going to sugar coat this but this site is like a big stage where the models perform and although most models are young and trying to just earn a living here, there are many many scammers in many forms like a model above has mentioned. What you see here, is not what you get on the outside. Keep you money in your pocket, don't give any of your financial information away, keep your credit cards securely in your wallet. Period.
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