You're correct--which is why the loss in speed is "only" 25% instead of much higher.





There are quite a few variables involved. Going wireless or having a proxy are going to slow a connection down, but the question is, by how much?
My advice would be to call up the ISP and ask them the maximum upload and download speeds for your internet package in both wired and wireless modes.
Typically, home users internet packages have very high download speeds, but much slower upload speeds. ISPs also sell "Business" packages which have much slower download speeds, but much HIGHER upload speeds. Business packages tend to cost much more.

Another consideration is the stability of your connection. In some areas, factors such as weather or time of day and usage by neighbors will have a dramatic affect upon the speeds. If you have DSL, then your distance from the DSL station will have a big effect. I generally tell people to avoid DSL entirely, avoid wireless for broadcasting (sending, uploading), and if you are really desperate for speed, get FiberOptic if it is available.
Don't believe what anybody tells you about your speed. Run an online speedtest of your connection to see what you are REALLY getting.

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I just noticed this thread has veered off-topic! Oh my!



You are so right! I'll go eat a piece of chocolate cake and let my IT guy handle this issue... Quote

You are so right! I'll go eat a piece of chocolate cake and let my IT guy handle this issue...


Let Jake Trenton put the "icing" on that cake first

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Let Jake Trenton put the "icing" on that cake first







LOL It turns out the IT guy is one of Jake's fans anyway.... Quote

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We can do show together!
But unfortunately not all are willing to pay for this wonderful show!
Many want to see the free which makes it difficult to make a good show!
Since all are just looking or asking for free!
And it is difficult to explain all that you can not show the show when customers do not give!
Because of this they are offended!
I tried a lot of time doing free show but nothing good has not!
I hope some will understand it!
Thank you for your attention and for the article!
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When Group Chat was introduced the pledge box started at 50, and could be increased by 1 (51, 52, 53 etc). I arrived at one room where the total was 426 and so I pledged 74. It seemed a bit clumsy to be doing that.

After a few days I noticed that the pledge amount was fixed at 50. That seemed like a sensible change. Everyone seemed to be pledging 50 at a time, and those of us who wanted to pledge more than 50 just pledged more than once.

I am a little puzzled that some people can still pledge different amounts other than 50.

In the last week or so I noticed one or two variations. In one room the current total was 420. In another room someone pledged 75 twice. And the other night, when Ryder Mccloud & Paul Atreides were doing Group Chat together with a huge target, I saw that 1 person pledged 200 in one go, I person pledged 400 in one go and 1 person pledged 1,000 in one go!

I am quite happy with the basic 50 option, but interested if anyone can solve the mystery.
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When Group Chat was introduced the pledge box started at 50, and could be increased by 1 (51, 52, 53 etc). I arrived at one room where the total was 426 and so I pledged 74. It seemed a bit clumsy to be doing that.

After a few days I noticed that the pledge amount was fixed at 50. That seemed like a sensible change. Everyone seemed to be pledging 50 at a time, and those of us who wanted to pledge more than 50 just pledged more than once.

I am a little puzzled that some people can still pledge different amounts other than 50.

In the last week or so I noticed one or two variations. In one room the current total was 420. In another room someone pledged 75 twice. And the other night, when Ryder Mccloud & Paul Atreides were doing Group Chat together with a huge target, I saw that 1 person pledged 200 in one go, I person pledged 400 in one go and 1 person pledged 1,000 in one go!

I am quite happy with the basic 50 option, but interested if anyone can solve the mystery.



It is possible to tip any quantity between 50 and 1000.
When you go to a group chat room , you will see the initial value is set as 50 , just click in the little box beside the 50 and over write it with whatever value you want to tip ( must be between 50 and 1000 )

Bally


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Thanks, Bally.

I did try the obvious options of clicking on and around the 50 pledge box, with no results, before adding my last post here. Bit surprised that they have opted for typing in the amount. Could result in some odd amounts and the odd error. Quote

Bit surprised that they have opted for typing in the amount. Could result in some odd amounts and the odd error.


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...Just attended my first group chat! It was with Igor Jony and he was spectacular It was just a 5 min show, but he packed it with action. I am sure I will be attending more group chats. I hope that many of them will be as great as my first experience. Quote

I have now enjoyed more than 50 Group Chats since it was launched 2 months ago. I have also joined in the pledges for quite a number of Group Chats where the target was not reached. Based on these experiences, and also comments from members and performers earlier in this thread, I thought it might be helpful to suggest some tips for performers. Anyone is free to agree, disagree or add their own suggestions.


Group Chat: Tips for Performers


1. Pledge Time: It is a good idea to allow 15 minutes for pledges when you want to start a Group Chat. Group Chat now appears at the top of the Live Model Categories on the members' screen, and members who are ready to tip will often look out for this. The longer this appears, the more likely it is to be spotted.

You might think 15 minutes is too long for pledges if the show time is only 5 minutes. If you reach the target quickly then no-one needs to wait for the full 15 minutes. The show starts as soon as the target is reached.

If you don't reach the target at the first attempt, it is not a good idea to start immediately with another 15 minutes pledge time. You should first ask those in your room if you should try again. If they agree, you should now only allow 5 minutes pledge time. This is most likely to attract all the pledges which were refunded from the first attempt, and the support from your room makes it more likely to reach the target.

2. Begging for Tips: Performers do best if they are relaxed about meeting their target. You are offering a full 5, 10 or 15 minute show for a 50 tip. This is great value, so you don't need to beg members to give you tips. It is their loss if they miss the chance. Once one or two members have pledged, they will often ask others to tip because they are so keen to see the show.

I saw one variation the other day, which was very effective. The performer simply started asking 1 or 2 members "xxxxx - do you wish to join the group?" It was friendly and inviting, and didn't mention tips at all. Pledges started to come in.

3. Nudity: In Open Chat members often ask for a quick peek and promise a 50 tip. They will often do the same during the pledge period. They cannot give tips directly during this time. During the pledge period you should only show what you do normally in Open Chat. You can tell anyone who presses you that they will get much more than a peek if they pledge 50 towards the Group Chat.

4. Content. It is important to describe clearly what you will do in the Group Chat. It is better to do a short show with a clear description, than a longer show with vague phrase like "all your fantasies fulfilled". If you do this you should use the pledge period to answer questions about what you are offering to do. If you offer to do too many different things, you may have too many competing requests to handle in the Group Chat.

One of the top models often does a 5 minute show in which he shows off all his naked body, and flexes his muscles. He then does another 5 minute show in which he strokes his cock and makes it hard. And another in which he does a cum shot.

5. Targets. The pledge target should be related more to content than to the time of the show. The target for a cum show can vary from about 400 to 1500, but I have seen a new model do a cum show in Group Chat for 200 and a top 20 model do a cum show in Group Chat for 300. Performers should be prepared to experiment, as there is no magic formula that works all the time.

Remember that members can still join the first half of Group Chat after it has started. The shock of suddenly losing the model's video screen while still seeing the chat can make them want to join the group. So in many cases the total of pledges can be more than the set target.

6. Show Time. The most popular shows are 5 or 10 minutes. Some members have been surprised that performers can do a cum show in less than 15 minutes, because that is what many performers ask for a private show. 15 or 20 minute Group Chats are fairly rare in my experience.

7. Party Chat within Group Chat. If you wish to have extra tips in Group Chat before you do certain things, you should make that very clear beforehand. I have seen a (failed) Group Chat advertised as "naked, hard cock, cum show (if you are generous)". Personally, I feel this should be avoided.

8. The Group Chat Show. Worth repeating Phil-USA's helpful warning here. Once you have started a Group Chat, you should complete it until the time runs out. If you end it early, you lose all the tips which were pledged.



Group Chat: Tips for Members


1. Pledge quickly! Unlike Party Chat, you get a refund if the performer does not reach his target. You can therefore pledge quickly and confidently, and make it more likely that the Group Chat will succeed.




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Great to have your input here, Jake.

On this particular point, I was thinking that it might be a good idea for models to set lower goals in these early few weeks of Group Chat until more members are familiar with it. There are benefits all round if models meet their targets and put on great shows. Good to see more and more support for Group Chat.

On the current question about showing too much too soon, I agree that it does show a bit of desperation which can be off-putting. Better to have some teasing and some seductive chat instead



Super! Ronnie me incredibly cute your train of thought! Indeed, in actual fact in 3 minutes a customer will not be able to enjoy the show, and the model will feel offended. Quote

In my list at post #52 I suggested what performers could do if they don't meet their target first time in the 15 minute pledge period, and want to try again.

I should have mentioned that it is a good idea for performers to also drop the target total by 100 or so. This is always welcomed by those who have just pledged, and gives added confidence that the target will be reached next time.

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Completely agree. Although the show rate if broken down by minute could be higher than a standarn 60CPM login rate, if there are multiple people it's actually the model who is technically getting the short end of the stick. Imagine how many credits it would be with everyone as a voyeur or in multi-user. This is the perfect system because it allows for models to make many credits without having to send anyone to file for bankruptcy. hehehe

For me Group Chat has been great and meeting targets has been easy, of course just like with party chat you can't do a 5k credit show in the middle of the day when none of your fans are online, but it's not hard to reach such feats when the site is booming with traffic. I love this idea and I can tell you first hand that this is the best solution for those who come here and either don't want/can't afford their own private show, or are running low on credits and can't restock immediately.










I would say its actually lower because one needs to include the pledge/count-down time during which the performer cannot go private, multi, or be tipped. That extra time is spent effectively closing the sale and therefore should be part of the calculation. For a 15 minute show most would chose a 10 or 15 minute count-down, effectively meaning they won't be getting anything more than the goal for a 25 - 30 minute period, or more like 35 CPM. Quote

In my list at post #52 I suggested what performers could do if they don't meet their target first time in the 15 minute pledge period, and want to try again.

I should have mentioned that it is a good idea for performers to also drop the target total by 100 or so. This is always welcomed by those who have just pledged, and gives added confidence that the target will be reached next time.

Any comments?


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That is possible, BryanF.

It assumes that the model will try again after not meeting the target, and that is usually what happens.

However, the model might be just "testing the water" and might decide not to do another Group Chat for several hours, or until the following day. Members who hold out could miss the chance of a 5 or 10 minute show for a 50 tip. Quote

...Just attended my first group chat! It was with Igor Jony and he was spectacular It was just a 5 min show, but he packed it with action. I am sure I will be attending more group chats. I hope that many of them will be as great as my first experience.


I completely agree with you Phil. I have been in several group chats with Igor and his brother Emo too and they both give the best show I have seen. As you said, even though they are short in duration, there is certainly no shortage of action!!
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I completely agree with you Phil. I have been in several group chats with Igor and his brother Emo too and they both give the best show I have seen. As you said, even though they are short in duration, there is certainly no shortage of action!!




I agree as well, but didn't say so earlier because I wanted to give a little push to the "advice" side of this thread.

There are so many models who could be more successful at Group Chat if they made some changes to the way they do it. I think it is very sad when some models talk about giving up Group Chat after 2 or 3 attempts.

Igor Joney is a real Group Chat success story. Many thanks to Phil for mentioning him in another thread. When I saw Phil's comments there I checked Igor's bio and then added him to my favourites. I quickly visited him as soon as I saw he was doing Group Chat. Wow! He delivers a great value-for-money show. I have been lucky enough to see 2 or 3 more of his Group Chats since then.

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...I am a mojor advocate of Group Chat, I have been a part of scores of great shows. Today was my first bad experience and I will not be seeing that model again for any reason at all. Normally I would attend several Group Chats with most models who I have seen. Quote