...I am a major advocate of Group Chat, I have been a part of scores of great shows. Today was my first bad experience and I will not be seeing that model again for any reason at all. Normally I would attend several Group Chats with most models who I have seen.



By chance, Phil, I was at the same Group Chat. My first bad experience too.

The performer met his target of 1000 tips for a 10 minute show, so plenty of members were there. When the performer simply did nothing, some people thought it was a cold, calculated rip-off. I hoped there was a better explanation. So some of us stayed on after the "show" and asked the performer what happened.

The performer said it was his first Group Chat, so I was ready to make allowances for that. He gave no reason for why he did nothing when we all got the message "Group Chat has Started" and the clock started ticking down. It was as if he had gone back to Open Chat while we were all waiting for him to start the show.

We asked what he normally does in his private shows. He said: "Lots of things". We asked what he was expecting to do for the 1000 we had just given in tips. He said: "I was going to lick an ice-cream, but they wanted me to do sex". At that point, I thought this guy should not really be performing here. He did say he was sorry, and a bit upset. We all parted fairly amicably.

Full marks to VS, by the way. While we were chatting with the performer, a couple of reviews (including yours) appeared on his bio page. That was amazingly quick. The reviews were negative (very rare for you to do a negative review) but VS still posted them. Quite right too. Also I found that VS refunded my tip without me even asking for it. Obviously a number of others had asked for their money back.

We can assume that VS will have taken the appropriate action with the studio, and the studio with the performer, so that this does not happen again. That allows everyone to draw a line under this unfortunate episode.
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I have just seen someone use the Depledge option in Group Chat, which I hadn't noticed before. Don't know if it has just been added.

I don't really like this option. Three reasons:

1. it is demoralising for the performer and the other tippers

2. there are a number of people who ask the performer to do something in exchange for a pledge. It is not right if the performer obliges, and the pledge is then withdrawn

3. there seems to be scope for messing around with the whole pledge process (eg pledging big to encourage other tips and then withdrawing most of the original pledge).

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I agree, Ronnie. This makes no sense at all to me. As far as I'm concerned a pledge is a pledge and should not be able to be withdrawn Quote

Depledge? A pledge is a pledge. Agree with Ronnie's points, and wow Jeffie ., you are quick..lol
The current group chat is a good thing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I agree, Ronnie. This makes no sense at all to me. As far as I'm concerned a pledge is a pledge and should not be able to be withdrawn



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...As you can see, the people posting here would not be the people who would use the "Depledge" button. I am not really sure why it was added, unless it is in case someone pledges 1,000 by mistake instead of 100 as an example. Quote

...As you can see, the people posting here would not be the people who would use the "Depledge" button. I am not really sure why it was added, unless it is in case someone pledges 1,000 by mistake instead of 100 as an example.



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I am not really sure why it was added, unless it is in case someone pledges 1,000 by mistake instead of 100 as an example.



That thought had crossed my mind, Phil. If that is the reason, then I think it is a case of using 2 wrongs to make a right. Much better to restrict the pledge box to about 4 options (50, 100, 250 and 500). The default option of 50 is a pretty good safeguard anyway.

Believe me it was very demoralising to see this option being used. A message appeared to say "xxxxxx has depledged 50 credits from the Group Chat". The pot of coins went down, and the model then cancelled the Group Chat. Everything went flat. I felt so sorry for the model, and gave him my pledged tip anyway.
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Great news! The Depledge option has now been removed.

Thanks VS for your quick response. Quote

...I noticed that yesterday when we were in Aquiles D's group chat. Quote

I have updated the advice at post #52 to include the points made later. I hope this is helpful - particularly to newer performers who are trying Group Chat for the first time. As before, all comments and suggestions are welcome.


Group Chat: Advice for Performers


1. Pledge Time: It is a good idea to allow 15 minutes for pledges when you want to start a Group Chat. Group Chat now appears at the top of the Live Model Categories on the members' screen, and members who are keen to see a show for just a 50 tip will often look out for this. The longer this appears, the more likely it is to be spotted.

You might think 15 minutes is too long for pledges if the show time is only 5 minutes. If you reach the target quickly then no-one needs to wait for the full 15 minutes. The show starts as soon as the target is reached.

If you don't reach the target at the first attempt, it is not a good idea to start immediately with another 15 minutes pledge time. You should first ask those in your room if you should try again. If they agree, you should now only allow 5 minutes pledge time. This is most likely to attract all the pledges which were refunded from the first attempt, and the support from your room makes it more likely to reach the target.

If you quickly relaunch the pledge process, it is also a good idea to reduce the target (by 100, say). This gives more confidence that the target will be reached second time. If you do not intend to do a third launch you should also tell members that this is the second and last chance. This will give an extra boost to the pledge process.

2. Begging for Tips: Performers do best if they are relaxed about meeting their target. You are offering a full 5, 10 or 15 minute show for a 50 tip. This is great value, so you don't need to beg members to give you tips. It is their loss if they miss the chance. Once one or two members have pledged, they will often ask others to tip because they are so keen to see the show.

One variation which was very effective: the performer simply started asking 1 or 2 members "xxxxx - do you wish to join the group?" It was friendly and inviting, and didn't mention tips at all. Pledges started to come in.

3. Nudity: In Open Chat members often ask for a quick peek and promise a 50 tip. They will often do the same during the pledge period. They cannot give tips directly during this time. During the pledge period you should only show what you do normally in Open Chat. You can tell anyone who presses you that they will get much more than a peek if they pledge 50 towards the Group Chat.

4. Content. It is important to describe clearly what you will do in the Group Chat. It is better to do a short show with a clear description, than a longer show with vague phrase like "all your fantasies fulfilled". If you do this you should use the pledge period to answer questions about what you are offering to do. If you offer to do too many different things, you may have too many competing requests to handle in the Group Chat.

One of the top models often does a 5 minute show in which he shows off all his naked body, and flexes his muscles. He then does another 5 minute show in which he strokes his cock and makes it hard. And another in which he does a cum shot.

5. Targets. The pledge target should be related more to content than to the time of the show. The target for a cum show can vary from about 400 to 4000, but I have seen a new model do a cum show in Group Chat for 200 and a top 20 model do a cum show in Group Chat for 300. Performers should be prepared to experiment, as there is no magic formula that works all the time.

Remember that members can still join the first half of Group Chat after it has started. The shock of suddenly losing the model's video screen while still seeing the chat can make them want to join the group. So in many cases the total of pledges can be more than the set target.

6. Show Time. The most popular shows are 5 or 10 minutes. Some members have been surprised that performers can do a cum show in less than 15 minutes, because that is what many performers ask for a private show. 15 or 20 minute Group Chats are fairly rare in my experience.

7. Party Chat within Group Chat. If you wish to have extra tips in Group Chat before you do certain things, you should make that very clear beforehand. I have seen a (failed) Group Chat advertised as "naked, hard cock, cum show (if you are generous)". Personally, I feel this should be avoided.

8. The Group Chat Show. Worth repeating Phil-USA's helpful warning here. Once you have started a Group Chat, you should complete it until the time runs out. If you end it early, you lose all the tips which were pledged.



Group Chat: Advice for Members


1. Pledge quickly! Unlike Party Chat, you get a refund if the performer does not reach his target. You can therefore pledge quickly and confidently, and make it more likely that the Group Chat will succeed.

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Last night (Thursday December 8) I was with a performer who tried to launch 2 Group Chats, and I was the only one pledging. I was surprised to see a message appear in red on the chat screen:

Monitor - things are pretty dead at the moment

Not sure if that was the exact wording. I have never seen a message like that before. It was pretty helpful. Thought it might be of interest - particularly to any performers who had a quiet night last night.

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Hi guys,
came across the thread, and just thought I'd share my experience...convenient, because I just finished up my first group chat.

Overall, I would say it went well.

I did have to tweak my numbers a few times before I met the contribution goal.
..even so, I think it'll take some more time to get the right combination of showtime/credit goal/countdown figured out.
Also, I have a feeling those numbers could vary, depending on who and how many are in the open room at that time.

Anyhow, I got my group chat started after the 3rd attempt. Changed the duration, credits, and what I'd be doing in the show with each attempt.

Here's what I wound up deciding...but, keep in mind that I can't speak for all models on this.

While I could be making exponentially more credits if I were to take each individual group chat viewer into a 1on1 pvt, it's not likely.
Yes, the members are only contributing a small amount, because it's a group effort.
But, I chose my GC duration/credits based on what I *can* make, rather than what I *may* make (if I had taken every person into pvt for the same amount of time)
I have a hard time feeling as though I've lost out on anything, when I know I wouldn't have gotten 25 minutes of private time with however many GC viewers (in the same night, at least.)
For me, it's just a matter of ability vs possibility. Again, not every model can say this...because some of the girls and guys on the site are pulling some pretty astronomical numbers, in comparison.

Also, the GC turned out better for me than Party Chat ever did.
I only tried Party Chat half a handful of times, but I always wound up feeling as though I had wasted my time...and that's exactly why I only tried it a few times.

Not sure if this is helpful, but that's my insight/first impression.

Anyhow, my GC wore me out! Need to go recharge lol
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Thanks for telling us about your first Group Chat experience here, Cory. Pleased that it worked out better for you than Party Chat. You might want to add a post some time to Phil-USA's Party or Group Chat...Which Do You Prefer? topic:


http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=12805&num_posts=12


Don't know if you read the advice at post #71 earlier on this page before or after your Group Chat. Sometimes performers ask "what should I have done?" and can get a number of suggestions from members. I find it more convenient to refer them to this post than to repeat the same advice Quote

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Don't know if you read the advice at post #71 earlier on this page before or after your Group Chat. Sometimes performers ask "what should I have done?" and can get a number of suggestions from members. I find it more convenient to refer them to this post than to repeat the same advice


First of all - WOW - I was in the middle of constructing my response, and am having to start from scratch, after accidentally hitting what apparently is not a VS-Forum-Friendly combination of buttons on my keyboard.
Just gonna let out a sigh, and continue as I was lol

I think your post is a great reference, especially for newer performers.

I had a couple things cross my mind while reading, and occasionally I like to think out loud with the intention of giving my perspective, and hoping to receive additional perspective from those who are on the other side of things (in this case, the customers)

"6. Show Time. The most popular shows are 5 or 10 minutes. Some members have been surprised that performers can do a cum show in less than 15 minutes, because that is what many performers ask for a private show. 15 or 20 minute Group Chats are fairly rare in my experience."

At first, I really wasn't sure what to think, when choosing my show time. My first and only show was 25 minutes. BUT, I was offering quite a bit, with the max pledge time, at a more than reasonable credit goal.
I'll be trying the shorter show times in the future. Have made a couple more attempts at group chatting, but haven't been successful...possibly because it was at an inopportune time. There are some other factors that play into the mix, but I'd be preaching to the choir.
Recap: Will heed your advice, and try shorter show times.

"8. The Group Chat Show. Worth repeating Phil-USA's helpful warning here. Once you have started a Group Chat, you should complete it until the time runs out. If you end it early, you lose all the tips which were pledged."

SO glad I came across Phil's post, because I was unaware until I found it...and during my group chat, I *almost* used the End Group Chat button, because I finished up with about a minute to spare. People were already giving me thanks, etc...it was clear that the show was over, and that everyone was satisfied. For some reason, I decided to just pose 'n' fondle for the last minute, and now I'm definitely glad I did.

I was also wondering about cumshots in Group Chat...near necessity?
I'd kind of assumed this, just because I'm not a muscle-god type who can make people nut themselves just from flexing...but God Bless those who can.

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Adam Foxx post of 12/27/11, 5:06pm copied from Party or Group Chat...Which Do You Prefer?

Hi everyone! Good to see you all again. Just thought I'd put my in about the whole Group Chat thing. I don't want to focus on the credit side of the debate though...just what I've seen so far from a model's experience who's been around for a while (1-year as of yesterday!).

Personally, I VERY MUCH ENJOY Group Chat. In a year of modeling, I think I only enjoyed Party Chat maybe 5 or 6 times. It's no fun to me. I feel like I'm begging and I don't think that is sexy at all. But on the flip side, Group Chats feel like they have a LOT of energy to them and that we're all working hard TOGETHER to make something fun happen. So THAT feels like an EVENT to me. It's a lot of fun (from a model perspective) to watch "the team" get closer and closer to the pledge goal. Once achieved and everyone (that pledged) gets taken into the Group Chat, it feels like a bunch of friends having some naughty fun together. I LOVE IT when members all talk to me and to each other in the Group Chat because it brings a LOT of energy to my modeling and to my performance. Plus I get the sense that the members are also becoming friends with each other in the process and that's pretty cool in my book. Because I know everyone has shown their support towards me (via credits) I feel a LOT more uninhibited in Group Chat, because I don't need to worry about freeloaders (like in Party Chat) or feel like my friends are supporting those that don't support me. Group Chat feels more equitable to me. I love it. I get the sense that the generous consensus is that MOST people--members and models--feel the same way.

I would like to offer a few suggestions/pieces of friendly advice to everyone (in order to make sure that everyone has a GREAT Group Chat experience--and I'll eventually add these + expand upon them to my sticky thread about having a positive experience with a model):

#1--Please read the Group Chat topic during the pledge drive. It is there that you will find out what a model is communicating will be the "theme" of his show. For instance (and I'll just use myself as an example, so I don't accidentally upset any models): Last night I offered a Group Chat that said, "Fucking hot ass play with FOUR fingers!" That is what I said I would do if we reached the credit goal (we did ). I did not say I would play with my cock, use dildos, cum, or bake cookies (although I REALLY wanted to bake cookies). So using that example, a member should not ask (or command) a model to "cum" or "get hard" or "shove a 40 foot dildo up your smooth hole". LOL An example of what a member COULD ask for (using this example) would be, "Adam, would you give us a close up of your hole while you shove your fingers in, please?" Sure!!!! "Adam, would you please throw you legs up over your head while you pummel your hole with your fingers?" SURE!!!!! See what I mean?

#2--Please be respectful of both the model AND other members in the Group Chat with you. NO ONE likes a mean person--especially when we are all horny and want to have a hot time! Please say, "please" and "thank you" when asking something of the model or when the model does what you ask him to do. Plus manners are VERY HOT!!!

#3--Group Chat is NOT a 1-on-1 Private Chat. This seems pretty obvious, but unfortunately for many members (and MANY models!!), it is not. A model that focuses on only 1 member in Group Chat is very rude (in my book) to his other fans that have paid good money to see the show. On the flip side, a member that acts like it's his 1-on-1 Private Chat show is being very rude to both the model and other members. The one exception to this "rule" is when a member has pledged the vast majority of the goal--and every member agrees that it should be "his show" and they are just along for the hot ride. In that case, it's alright. But again--everyone has to agree so that everyone is happy!

#4--Tipping: While tipping a model in Group Chat is NOT required, it is ALWAYS appreciated by a top model. It's a great way to say "thank you" for a great show or to just show your love and appreciation for a model. Also, if you would like a model to add something to his Group Chat (for instance--if you want them to slip an extra finger in his hole or whatever), you could ask the model, "If I tip you 250 credits, would you also do this______?" It never hurts to ask.

#5--Entering the Group Chat AFTER the Show Has Begun: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE say hello to the model (either as a whisper or to the entire room)!!!!! It is friendly. Also, often times there are SEVERAL members in the Group Chat and the model may not have noticed that you have come in. A top model will want to welcome you to his Group Chat and at the very least say hello to you as well. However, if the model is VERY busy performing, he may not be able to stop what he is is doing and call you out by name. He is NOT trying to be disrespectful...he's just focused on putting on a damn good Group Chat for you all. I know you all understand that...and we top models APPRECIATE IT!!!!

#6--Members Encouraging Other Members: Want to know how to earn a special place in a model's heart if you are not able to join a Group Chat? Stick around the model's room while he's in Group Chat and encourage other members to join the Group Chat in progress. That's team work and models REALLY appreciate it. Top models know that members can not spend credits on every single Group Chat (even though we all dream that they could haha), so when we see several members appear in our Group Chat after it starts, we are very grateful for the love and support of our long-time fans/friends that help us out in this way. (BIG HUGE HUGS!!!!!)

#7--The Group Chat "Contract": Models say that they will do this or that in Group Chat. Members who want to see what the model is offering pledge credits to see that show. If a model does NOT do what he has promised, that model has broken his "contract" with those members--and that is NOT right. : Top models always keep their word (to the best of their ability). Please understand, however, that sometimes our unpredictable male anatomy (LOL) may not always want to cooperate (getting hard or being able to cum, for example). If a model says that "I will cum in Group Chat within 5 minutes," well that's generally not realistic and you should probably be suspicious--and generally avoid those Group Chats. However, if a model is performing a 40 minute Group Chat and is VERY CLEARLY giving his members a GOOD FAITH EFFORT to make that happen...and unfortunately, it does not...please don't hate us or get mad. As long as a GOOD FAITH EFFORT has been given, please give the model the benefit of the doubt. THAT SAID--and again using this example--if a model in 40 minute Group Chat has promised a cum shot...and couldn't get it done in that time frame, a TOP MODEL (and/or one that cares about his fans) WILL find a way to make sure that he delivers on that promise. I know that it has happened to me before (not being able to cum), so what I did (and I've seen other top models do this as well)...is to IMMEDIATELY switch over to PARTY CHAT and finish the job there. In this case, the model should NOT NOT NOT NOT ask for additional tips (from members that were in the Group Chat), because that would be VERY RUDE. If a member that was not in the Group Chat wishes to tip--great--but please do not feel the need to tip if you were in the Group Chat (unless you want to). Top Models are not switching over to Party Chat to "make more credits"...we're switching over to Party Chat so that we can fulfill our "contractual" promise to you out of respect to you!!!

#8--VODs--Many members have asked about VODs for Group Chats. At this time, Flirt4Free does NOT record Group Chats. They are NOT turned into VODs. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knows this so that there is no confusion or disappointment.

#9--How Group Chat Works: There has been a LOT of confusion (mainly from new members) about how Group Chat works. Group Chat is a relatively NEW chat experience that began in August 2011. Flirt 4 Free worked VERY hard on this new enhancement to the site and I believe that most of us agree that it has been a wonderful experience once most of the kinks were ironed out. Here is the sequence for how Group Chat Works.....

Step 1) A model gives members in his chat room a credit goal to reach, a time limit to reach that credit goal, and informs members in his chat room how long the Group Chat will be and what the model wants to do for his performance in that Group Chat.

Step 2) Members "pledge" credits towards that credit goal.

Step 3) At the current time, the MAXIMUM time limit for the pledge drive to reach the goal is 15 minutes.

Step 4) An interesting development that has been noticed by Top Models is that when members pledge early in the pledge drive, other members are encouraged to also pledge...and it is more likely that the pledge goal will be met. When members wait until the last minute, the livelihood of reaching the goal is significantly less. The moral? Pledge early and try to get most of the pledge goal on the early side of the countdown clock and don't wait until the end, if you would like to see the show.

Step 5) Pledges are NOT tips. The model does not earn ANY credits unless the pledge goal is reached. Further, if the pledge goal is NOT reached, the pledged credits NEVER leave the member's account. It is risk-free (from that perspective). To test this out, pledge 50 credits towards a model's Group Chat (that clearly isn't going to happen) and then once it does not, check your member account. You will notice that your credits are still there!!!!

Step 6) Further, once a model has reached the pledge goal and the Group Chat has begun, IF the model exits the Group Chat BEFORE the clock has finished, that model will NOT have earned ANY CREDITS. Your credits will be returned to you. Again, a model has a "contractual" obligation to fulfill his promise to his paying members!!! Please understand however, that a (very rare) technical glitch may happen from time to time (which is NOT the model's fault). If you experience this--and the model has CLEARLY given a GOOD FAITH EFFORT to perform what he has promised!!!!--please be kind and just tip the model what you had originally pledged so that he is not discouraged. That said, you are not obligated to do so--it is however, very kind and the model would very much appreciate it.

Step 7) Members that have pledged credits towards a Group Chat may enter and exit a Group Chat whenever and as frequently as they so desire. For example, once the Group Chat has begun, you may leave and re-enter again without having to pledge additional credits. I'm not sure why you would want to (grin) but you are free to do so. Please know, that if the pledge goal has been reached, the credits that you have pledged WILL be taken out of your account, whether or not you decide to watch the show. Further, BEFORE the pledge goal has been reached, you are free to exit and re-enter the model's Open Chat. Your pledge will still "count" whether or not you are actually in the model's room. There has been a LOT of confusion on this point, so I hope this clears it up.

Step 8) Members that pledge credits towards a Group Chat DO earn power boost points for the show!!! Again, check your member account to discover your increased power boost points!!!

Step 9) During the Group Chat Show, members that are NOT in the Group Chat show CAN see what members that ARE in the Group Chat show are typing. Flirt 4 Free has designed the chat feature in this way so that members that are NOT in the Group Chat can see all the fun that they are missing and be encouraged to also join the Group Chat. So typing in the model's room during Group Chat actually HELPS that model both credit wise--and for the model to be more fully engaged with the members in the Group Chat. So type away and have fun!!!!

Step 10) When the pledge goal has been reached, ALL members that have pledged credits towards the Group Chat are taken to Group Chat (behind the curtain) to enjoy the show. At this time, the curtain will be closed for non-pledging members. And UNLIKE other chat options, there are NO "sneak peaks" for non-pledging members. The curtain will NOT temporarily be raised.

Step 11) After the Group Chat has begun, members that have not pledged credits may pledge 50 credits (at the time of this post's writing) and join the Group Chat with the other pledging members. Members may do this up until 50% of the Group Chat's clock is complete. For instance, if the Group Chat is scheduled to be 10 minutes, a non-pledging member may pledge 50 credits to join the Group Chat for the first 5 minutes of the Group Chat. (Please note that some models find this annoying and hate this feature--and have lobbied aggressively to Flirt to either raise the credit amount or eliminate the feature entirely. The reason for this is that it is viewed by some models (and members!!!) as a way for "cheap" members to take advantage of members that have pledged for the show initially and basically get a super cheap show. Not all models (or members) feel this way, however. I am just presenting "the reality" for a lot of members and models. If I may humbly suggest a way to avoid these negative feelings: If you enter the Group Chat AFTER the show has begun, as a gesture of GOOD FAITH and kindness, you may want to consider tipping an additional 50 credits to show the model (and other members) that you're one of "the good guys". (But please know you have no obligation to do so.)

Step 12) HAVE FUN!

ON BEHALF OF ALL OF MY FELLOW TOP-MODELS, I wish ALL members (and models alike) a very happy Group Chat experience. Have fun and if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me (or any other Top-Model). Most of us would be VERY happy to answer your questions and/or clear up any confusion. xoxo --Adam Foxx

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In the previous post I have copied here Adam Foxx's advice about Group Chat which he first posted 2 weeks ago in Phil-USA's topic: Party Chat or Group Chat...Which Do You Prefer?

Adam's post contains some good points, some points which are debatable, some points specific to Adam's experience and some which repeat the advice which VS provide in their FAQ section.

I provided advice in this topic in October and November (based on comments earlier in this topic, and Group Chat experiences with about 50 performers). I think there is scope for putting the best points from both sources together, and to reflect other comments that members and performers want to make here.

The important points from Adam's advice that I think should be added to my earlier advice are: everyone should read the FAQ first; members who have just given a 50 tip should not treat the Group Chat as a 1-to-1 private show - they should not make repeated requests; there should be no complaints if the performer does not deliver but makes a "good faith effort"; the option of extending a Group Chat in Party Chat (if available) if a performer feels he has let members down.

My 1-point advice to members here was "Pledge quickly". Adam's advice reinforces this, but includes some debatable points about penalising those who pledge late.

Some points included in Adam's post on which I would need some persuading:

1. VS should remove the option to join Group Chat after it has started

2. Those who join the Group Chat pledge process late should pay more

3. Those who join Group Chat after it has started should say "hello"

4. Those who join Group Chat after it has started should give a 50 tip to placate other members

5. Group Chats where the performer says he will cum in 5 minutes should be avoided

I think some of this relates to the 1% of Group Chats where the performer does Group Chats for about 4,000 credits and some members pledge 250, 500 or 1000 in one go. A late pledge of 50 may seem a bit "cheap", but in my view it is always better to tip than not to tip. Members and performers alike should respect that.

What more can be done to encourage members to pledge early? Is it just inevitable that some members will pledge late because of their Party Chat experiences? Some members pledge late simply because they arrive late. All good suggestions on this point considered!

I hope that the advice that emerges here will be helpful to the majority of performers and members.

Let the debate begin!
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...Ironically I joined a group chat show in progress with Adam and Andy yesterday. Without having read the post about joining late. I did tip as soon as I got in the show because I felt that I would have pledged more than 50 credits if I was to join in the beggining.

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In the previous post I have copied here Adam Foxx's advice about Group Chat which he first posted 2 weeks ago in Phil-USA's topic: Party Chat or Group Chat...Which Do You Prefer?

Adam's post contains some good points, some points which are debatable, some points specific to Adam's experience and some which repeat the advice which VS provide in their FAQ section.


Hi Ronnie! As always, I VERY much appreciate your passion and love of helping to continue to make Flirt the best damn cam site in the world. You're a true friend to the entire site and every model and member is in your debt for your support.

I just want to clear up a little confusion--which admittedly probably stems from my quick typing (and not enough editing, on my part) before I posted my original post, to which you are responding. (This is mainly for the other members as you and I have always corresponded via site email about this. (I don't want you to think I'm beating a dead horse haha--hugs)

My INTENT to my original Group Chat Instruction Guide post was to help clear up some confusion about 1) What Group Chat is and how to use it to, 2) Present current challenges that it has from both the model and member sides of things, 3) To present all sides' "arguments" in a neutral position (I don't think I accomplished this as well as I would have liked, unfortunately, but I tried and 4) To help present both some models position on certain Group Chat experience--both pro and con--and to do the same for members--again both pro and con--so that EVERYONE using it has a better experience.

To be clear, personally, I don't care if a member joins before or after a Group Chat begins. I appreciate the support all the same. My intent in that section (again, I was probably unclear--my apologies) was to present 1 argument that has been made by some models and how to overcome that in a positive manner. As always, some may agree and some may disagree (and that's the fun of life), but I hope that both you and everyone else understand that my writing this was coming from a good place and not to be disagreeable...just helping.

Much love to you, Ronnie. (BIG HUGS)

--AF

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